Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:12 pmTuesday, the Portuguese Army received the first Pandur II 8x8s, 7 of the ICV variant, from the local license-maker Fabrequipa. In October, 5 more, Steyr-made will be received. The Fabrequipa production line got ahead of schedule and delivered before Steyr, contrarily to plans. It is expected that next year it will produce 8 Pandurs per month.
These first vehicles were 100% sucessful in the making, with absolutely no flaws detected in both quality control and Army acceptance tests. Not bad considering it's a trailer making company with no previous experience in military vehicles.
In the occasion, Fabrequipa announced they will open an add-on armour production line, develop a family of 4x4 to 8x8 vehicles, and a 4x4 protected vehicle equivalent to the Mowag Eagle.
With regards,
JQT
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:17 pmPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:00 amPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:18 am- buglerbilly
Others around here can tell you better than me but I believe its part of an I/D system using IIR-obvious finishes. In other words the panels stand out when viewed thru Attack Helicopter and aircraft/UAV systems.............
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:43 am- Roy_A_LingleHi Bug! Hi Folks!
- buglerbilly
Others around here can tell you better than me but I believe its part of an I/D system using IIR-obvious finishes. In other words the panels stand out when viewed thru Attack Helicopter and aircraft/UAV systems.............
Like Bug said, it's a device that can be seen by thermal imaging devices which are part of all state of the art Fire Control Systems (FCS). Thermal imaging gun sights are used on just about everything, not just aerial platfroms.
They help reduce blue on blue shooting accidents.
Sgt, Scouts Out!
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:33 amPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:07 am- TrevorLarkum
Is there anything special about the CIPs? In other words, is there anything to stop the enemy attaching some to his tanks and looking like a friendly?
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:36 pmPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:20 pmPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:23 pmPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:58 pmPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:28 pmPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:50 pm- Maple_Leaf_EhGeorge is on the board, but he is very close mouthed and hardly ever speaks up. The paper AFV News still comes out, but this forum and the earlier one have a speed of exchange that makes the paper version literally old news.
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:00 amPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:03 am
CT-CV WEAPON SYSTEM (105mm)
The CT-CV weapon system is designed to meet the present and future requirements of modern armed forces for powerful weapons on light air transportable vehicles. A series of trials and stringent tests have been conducted successfully and final qualification is underway.
The turret and gun have been completely developed in-house by CMI thanks to its long standing experience in the design of systems specifically adapted for light and air deployable vehicles.
It is a two-man turret armed with the "CV" gun with low recoil force.
The system is compatible with all current NATO 105mm ammunition but the barrel has been designed to be able to fire ammunition with higher pressure as well as smart ammunition and guided missiles.
With a view to complying with specific requirements from customers, CMI Defence has designed a modular system able to integrate alternative sub-systems.
Particular attention has been paid to safety and comfort of the crew. The crew is seated low in the turret to take advantage of the vehicle hull protection. For safety reasons too, the crew and ammunition compartments are independent and separated by a firewall; in addition, crew protection is ensured thanks to a safety fuse plate above the ammunition rack.
The system is equipped with an automatic loader which contains 16 rounds in standard configuration and 12 rounds in air-deployable configuration.
The system is ready to fire immediately upon leaving the aircraft and is capable of panoramic observation after 15 minutes. The complete system can be prepared in about 4 hours, including the installation of a pintle-mount or RWS and the fitting of add-on armour.
The sighting system for both the gunner and the commander consists in two identical displays, one for day vision and the other one for night vision. The gunner's sight with laser range finder is stabilised for firing on the move and at moving targets. A panoramic sight gives the commander observation and hunter killer capabilities.
Back up devices are foreseen to allow continued use of the turret in case of loss of electrical power supply.
One of most striking features of this new system resides in its BLOS (Beyond Line of Sight) firing capabilities thanks to a 42° gun elevation, adapted to urban and mountainous warfare conditions as well as allowing firing against airborne targets.
The CT-CV is definitely the most advanced system available today to serve the needs of modern armed forces.
One of the photos shows the proposed MGS model. The turret initially selected was the Oto Melara Histfist 105mm, but it was later found out the Pandur hull wouldn't do well with the recoil. For a time it was considered to drop the MGS version in favour of a "wheeled tank" like the Centauro. But with the new CMI turret all seems to fit now.
www.cmi.be/vpage.php?id=142
The MGS Pandur (60 vehicles, still not ordered) will replace the M60 fleet along with the Leo2s.
Regards,
JQT
Recent developments: the MoD suspended yesterday (Monday) the acceptance of the Pandurs. The first six vehicles issued by the Steyr production line, in Austria, were rejected by the Army after acceptance tests: inadequate assembly (namely the steering and transmission systems, hidraulics, and other mechanics) and incomplete assembly (no threat detection system, some of the vehicles didn't even have seats). Apparently, Steyr rushed the delivery to the Portuguese Army because of the contractual deadline, expecting Fabrequipa to finish the job later.
I think there was a similar situation concerning the Chech Pandur contract.
Regards,
JQT
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