±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 386
Total: 386
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: CPGlang
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Photo Gallery
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Photo Gallery
23: Community Forums
24: Photo Gallery
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Photo Gallery
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Photo Gallery
40: Community Forums
41: Downloads
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: CPGlang
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Home
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: Community Forums
55: Downloads
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Photo Gallery
59: Home
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: CPGlang
63: Community Forums
64: Home
65: Community Forums
66: Downloads
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Photo Gallery
70: Home
71: Downloads
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Downloads
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Home
83: CPGlang
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Photo Gallery
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: CPGlang
96: Home
97: Community Forums
98: Home
99: Photo Gallery
100: Community Forums
101: Downloads
102: Photo Gallery
103: Downloads
104: Community Forums
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: Home
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Home
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Downloads
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Photo Gallery
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: CPGlang
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: News
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: CPGlang
140: Photo Gallery
141: Community Forums
142: Photo Gallery
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Downloads
146: Community Forums
147: Photo Gallery
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Photo Gallery
162: Your Account
163: Photo Gallery
164: CPGlang
165: Community Forums
166: Your Account
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: News Archive
172: Downloads
173: Photo Gallery
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Photo Gallery
180: Photo Gallery
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Downloads
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Downloads
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: News
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Downloads
198: Photo Gallery
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Photo Gallery
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Home
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Photo Gallery
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Home
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Photo Gallery
224: Downloads
225: Photo Gallery
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Home
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: CPGlang
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Home
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Photo Gallery
243: Home
244: Photo Gallery
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Downloads
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Photo Gallery
252: Statistics
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Home
256: Downloads
257: Community Forums
258: Photo Gallery
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Photo Gallery
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Statistics
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Photo Gallery
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Photo Gallery
277: Home
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: News
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Photo Gallery
284: Your Account
285: Photo Gallery
286: Photo Gallery
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: News
290: Community Forums
291: Photo Gallery
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Photo Gallery
296: Photo Gallery
297: Photo Gallery
298: Community Forums
299: CPGlang
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Photo Gallery
303: Member Screenshots
304: Statistics
305: Photo Gallery
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Your Account
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Photo Gallery
313: Photo Gallery
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Photo Gallery
317: Downloads
318: Downloads
319: Photo Gallery
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: News Archive
325: Community Forums
326: Photo Gallery
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Home
331: Downloads
332: Community Forums
333: Member Screenshots
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Downloads
337: Downloads
338: Photo Gallery
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Home
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Photo Gallery
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Home
348: Community Forums
349: Photo Gallery
350: CPGlang
351: Downloads
352: Community Forums
353: CPGlang
354: Your Account
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Photo Gallery
359: Community Forums
360: Photo Gallery
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Photo Gallery
364: Photo Gallery
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Home
368: Community Forums
369: Your Account
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Member Screenshots
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Statistics
379: Community Forums
380: Home
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Home
386: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
B777 "warning" for long non-stop flights (W/Rolls Engines) :: Archived
A general meeting place for all pilots!
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  Officer's Club

Topic Archived View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
HF_SlowHand
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 27, 2005
Posts: 767
Location: Meeechigan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:38 am
Post subject: B777 "warning" for long non-stop flights (W/Rolls Engines)

From "SOAR" (Capt Tom Bunn)

777 Advisory

This applies only to 777-200 and 777-300 with Rolls-Royce engines on extremely long flights.

You may remember the accident at London's Heathrow airport a few months ago when a BA 777-200 landed just short of the runway due to partial loss of engine power.

It has been determined that the partial loss of power was due to clogging of a device (fuel/oil heat exchanger) through which fuel flows to the engines. There are always some water molecules suspended in the jet fuel. Ordinarily, this does not cause any trouble at all. But on the extremely long flights the 777-200 can make, exposure to very cold temperatures - particularly on flights near the North Pole - can cool the fuel enough so that particles of ice form and collect in the device in the fuel lines. After the ice forms, changes in engine power can cause the ice to be dislodged. The dislodged ice may then move to the unit that controls engine power.

Procedures have been adopted which may take care of the problem. However, the National Transport Safety Board (NTSB) is not satisfied with procedures alone, as reported at this link.



The NTSB wants a fix of the problem. However, it is expected that it will take eighteen months to redesign and replace the questionable units. The National Transport Safety Board has stated: " . . . until the current fuel/oil heat exchangers are replaced by heat exchangers more tolerant to ice accretion, additional failures to achieve commanded thrust could occur and could result in a serious accident and, possibly, injuries and deaths."

The NTSB did not specifically say that long flights on the 777 should not be done until the situation is corrected. But, I think they are saying as close to that as they can without upsetting politics between the U.S. and Great Britain.

What I suggest is the following: if you are planning an extremely long trip for which a fifteen to eighteen-hour non-stop flight is offered, don't take the non-stop flight. Instead, break the trip up into flights of a more conventional duration.

BA, Singapore Airlines, American Airlines and Delta Airlines operate 777s with Rolls -Royce engines.

_________________
I deny everything
I lie about everything
And everything I deny
Is a lie!
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Shades
Forum Tree-Rat

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 07, 2005
Posts: 6474
Location: 3rd Branch up, 'Ye Olde Oak', Green Wood.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:11 pm
Post subject: Re: B777 "warning" for long non-stop flights (W/Rolls Engines)

Hey!
Some people can't wait to get off the flight.
This has been a sensible travel option provided to you by us, considerate and forward-thinking, Europeans!

_________________
Skwerl's place.

Com-Central's cutest, fluffiest, twitchiest, tail.
CPU > Intel i9-9900k (o/c 4.9GHz); COOLING > BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4;
MOBO > ASUS PRIME Z390-A; RAM > 2x32GB Corsair LPX 2666MHz;
GPU > Gigabyte GEFORCE GTX650Ti PCI-e 3.0 2Gb GDDR5;
AUDIO > Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music (plus - Universal Audio UAD2 Quad Custom accelerator);
HDD > 3x1TB+ M.2. SSDs; LCD > DELL - S2419HGF (1920x1080);
PSU > 650W be quiet Straight Power 11 - 80+ Gold;
CASE > BeQuiet! SILENT BASE 601; OS > Windows 11 Home Advanced (64-bit).
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  Officer's Club
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours

Archive Revive
Username:
This is an archived topic - your reply will not be appended here.
Instead, a new topic will be generated in the active forum.
The new topic will provide a reference link to this archived topic.