±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: TylerK93
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6591

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 75
Total: 75
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Photo Gallery
04: Photo Gallery
05: Photo Gallery
06: Home
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: News
12: Photo Gallery
13: Photo Gallery
14: Home
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Photo Gallery
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Photo Gallery
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Your Account
31: Home
32: Photo Gallery
33: Home
34: Home
35: Community Forums
36: Photo Gallery
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Community Forums
40: News
41: Downloads
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Photo Gallery
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Photo Gallery
50: Statistics
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Photo Gallery
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Home
61: Photo Gallery
62: Home
63: Photo Gallery
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Photo Gallery
75: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Thun SHP. FT-17
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 4525
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:18 am
Post subject: Thun SHP. FT-17

Two FT-17s were bought by Switzerland in the 1920s for trials.

Since no records exist about this tank it's not possible to know if it's one of the original two or it was acquired after WW II, together with german tanks that are now visible in the Panzermuseum.

This tank was stored outdoor for decades:
www.preservedtanks.com...p;Select=4

This has been fully restored in 2006-2009. On May 29, 2009, it was in running condition again. For the restoration, original parts has been extensively used, but the transmission, radiator and some small parts were replaced with newly-built parts.

Very special thanks to Tobias and Martin Haudenschild, both for their hard restoration work and for helping me during the visit.

You can see the attention to the details, another impressive job:

In%20the%20past%20I%20had%20the%20impression%20FT-17's%20sprockets%20were%20made%20of%20wood.%20Seems%20like%20there%20were%20metal%20ones%20too.%20Anybody%20has%20additional%20information? The%20interior%20is%20just%20perfect

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 26, 2006
Posts: 2864
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:56 am
Post subject: Re: Thun SHP. FT-17

- Massimo_Foti

In the past I had the impression FT-17's sprockets were made of wood. Seems like there were metal ones too. Anybody has additional information?


Here you can see an FT-17 wheel with wood sheets :

Compared%20to%20an%20FT-17%20wheel%20with%20metal%20sheets%20: Compared%20to%20the%20M1917%20wheel,%20really%20typical%20of%20the%20tank%20:

For further information, this has been discussed there :

http://www.com-central.net/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10456&start=15

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 15, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:55 am
Post subject: Re: Thun SHP. FT-17

Massimo's photo's are now up at PTC (along with a link to the Renault factory):

Unique ID 817: Thun SHP FT

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
ddoyle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 12, 2008
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun SHP. FT-17

The Thun FT-17 appears to be armed with a water-cooled machine gun (M1917A1????). Anybody have any input on this, apparently unique, FT-17 armament?

The linked photos to the same tank when on outside display show no armament at that time.

Thanks,
David Doyle
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 4525
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun SHP. FT-17

It's an MG 11:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_11
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_11

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
ddoyle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 12, 2008
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:26 am
Post subject: Re: Thun SHP. FT-17

Thank you for the identification of the weapon Massimo.

Do you (or anyone else) know how this armament came to be used on this tank?

Thanks!

Sincerely,
David Doyle
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 26, 2006
Posts: 2864
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:18 am
Post subject: Re: Thun SHP. FT-17

- ddoyle

Do you (or anyone else) know how this armament came to be used on this tank?


I guess that there are some ammunitions issues.
That is to say, it would have been better for the Swiss not to have a French weapon on their tanks, because in case of war, they would have had problems to get the right ammunitions if they come from a foreign country.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 4525
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:32 am
Post subject: Re: Thun SHP. FT-17

The Swiss army used, and still uses, 7.5x55mm cartridges:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...55mm_Swiss

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 1434
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun SHP. FT-17

- Massimo_Foti
In the past I had the impression FT-17's sprockets were made of wood. Seems like there were metal ones too. Anybody has additional information?


As far as I can figure out the metal leaf versions were introduced as part of the M1921 series of upgrades on a 'when neccessary' basis.

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum