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Ordnance Museum Data Plates #9: Italian
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:36 pm Post subject: Ordnance Museum Data Plates #9: Italian
M13 - two different data plates, I only have records for one? img.photobucket.com/al...es/M13.jpg img.photobucket.com/al.../SPA-2.jpg I need some help with model identification for the following: Fiat Ansaldo img.photobucket.com/al...nsaldo.jpg Lancia img.photobucket.com/al...Lancia.jpg SABIF img.photobucket.com/al.../SABIF.jpg SPA img.photobucket.com/al.../SPA-1.jpg

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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Ordnance Museum Data Plates #9: Italian
Second shot, the SPA plate belongs to an L6 (the Semovente 47/32 I guess), other plate in the same picture belongs to a second M13. Thid shot, yet another M13... But dating back to 1942 most likely an M14 or M15. Last shot, the SPA plate belongs to an AB 40. Massimo

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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:37 am Post subject: Re: Ordnance Museum Data Plates #9: Italian
Massimo, Which number should be considered the "serial number" or equivalent? Neil

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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Ordnance Museum Data Plates #9: Italian
"Matricola" = serial number "Targa" = registration number Massimo

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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Ordnance Museum Data Plates #9: Italian
Hi friends, I think this SABIF come from a boxcar or some sort of railway stuff. SABIF was a brake manufacturer and "freno continuo", aka continuous brakes, is a system that used hoses connecting all the wagons of a train, so the driver could apply or release the brakes with a single valve in the locomotive commonly used worldwide. Regards Giacomo

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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:30 am Post subject: Re: Ordnance Museum Data Plates #9: Italian
Here are the numbers was able to pull off the plates by increasing the size of the original images (Photobucket shrunk them some). M13 Matricola/SN 07006, Targa/Reg 4445 Second set of plates Semovente da 47/32 su L6/40 (L-6-3) Chassis 54902 M13 Matricola/SN 01387, Targa/Reg 3521 Fiat-Ansaldo M13 Matricola/SN 03023, Targa/Reg ineligible SPA plate ABM40 Chassis 47808 Neil

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Ordnance Museum Data Plates #9: Italian
I am reading the last book from Daniele Gugliemi. He says M14's plates still used M13 as name. Nothing is mentioned about M15's plates. Massimo

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