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Pictures from Saumur - outside storage areas / ID Help!
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
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Neil_Baumgardner
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:31 pm
Post subject: Pictures from Saumur - outside storage areas / ID Help!

P-O and I got there a bit early and used the spare time to take a look at the visable storage areas...

Here's the first set of pictures... Enjoy, more to come...

First off a couple of long-shots

M8%20HMC%20hidden%20in%20a%20corner HS-30%20APC Char%20B%20demineur%20vehicle,%20EBR%20and%20then%20what%20is%20the%20modern%20MBT%20next%20to%20the%20EBR? The%20Char%20B's%20mine%20rollers Chinese%20APC?,%20something%20with%20an%20oscillating%20turret?,%20and%20an%20M5A1%20Stuart Renault%20UE%20&%20R-35 AMX-10P%20with%20some%20sort%20of%20automatic%20cannon? Another%20AMX-10P%20(probably%20a%20more%20recently%20used%20demonstrator) AMX-40%20prototype M4A1(75)%20Sherman%20-%20found%20some%20markings%20that%20didnt%20have%20any%20significance%20to%20me...%20Says%20CT,%20so%20possibly%20a%20Canadian%20WD%20number? Another%20Sherman%20hull Isnt%20this%20a%20Soviet%20armored%20car%20hull? BTR-50%20behind%20a%20VAB M24%20Chaffee%20-%20I%20think%20this%20is%20the%20French%20modified%20one,%20different%20gun?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:39 pm
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Nice photos,

makes me want to go as well... Smile Methinks your Russian armored car is rather French, possibly a Panhard- I'm not up to date on les désignations Francaises...

I also see nothing unusual about the Chaffee's gun, didn't they swap turrets rather than guns?

Thanks,

Jens O.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:39 pm
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I don't think it's a chinese APC. I think it's just another AMX-10P. The something behind it with an oscillating turret is probably just an AMX-13. Armored car hull is probably a Panhard ERC 90 (3 axles).

The mysterious tank is, well, mysterious. Are those water jets under the taillights?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:54 pm
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The vehicle next to the EBR looks like an AMX-10 C. I found a few pictures at this site

www.chars-francais.net

Nice photos of various french AFV's, text in french.

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Neil_Baumgardner
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:01 pm
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Could this be an AMX-10RC, perhaps even a prototype? The turret seems to share a lot of common features, but may have some subtle differences (hard to tell). That could easily be a wheeled chassis, and the rear also appears similar.

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Okay, looks like its just an ERC Sagaie hull...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:16 pm
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AMX 10C turret with 90% certainty ...

www.chars-francais.net...0c_010.jpg

and the rear hull looks even better .... the AMX 10RC armoured car has angled rear corners vs square on the AMX 10C tracked vehicle.

www.chars-francais.net...0c_021.jpg
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:25 pm
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Here's some more...

Some%20turrets%20-%20P-O%20thought%20the%20one%20on%20the%20right%20might%20be%20from%20a%20Panther? Is%20this%20another%20VP%2090? Speaking%20of%20Panthers... T-72 M47%20Patton M48%20Patton%20dozer ?%20ARV ?%20Soviet%20tank Chinese%20APC? Some%20sort%20of%20test%20vehicle? AMX-30 STRV%20M74 TRVs ERC%20prototype? ?%20turret other%20turrets Swedish%20Sav%20M/43 ?%20Soviet%20tank BTR-50

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:18 am
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No other comments or identification help?

Neil
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:27 am
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Neil,
I'd be glad to help but being here at work the image host you use is blocked. It'll be Friday before I can view them.

Sorry
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:45 pm
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Weeeeell,

since you asked- that TRV is an ARV and is known as the M74 to CIAs. Laughing

I agree that the turret in question is from a Panther, and the unknown Soviet tanks seem to be both T55s. The BTR-50 could also be an OT-62, but I'd need to see the front end for that.

The unknown recovery vehicle looks darn familiar, but I can't quite put my finger on it, I want to say former WP, but I could be off the mark, heck, I couldn't even remember the Sagaie although I've been around them.

That rusty turret with the pulleys also looks familiar and I know I'll slap my head as soon as somebody else identifies it, but for the time being, I'm lost like a 2LT with a map and a compass. Mr. Green

Cheers and FWIW,

Jens O.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:59 pm
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Are both TRVs M74s? There are 2 different ones...

Neil
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Ooops,

shouldn't do these late-nighters- the frontview is an M32, I think an M32B2, the rear end is that of an M74.

Sorry about that

Jens O.
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Who they kiddin'? I bet that was recovered from Vietnam in '54, then hastily painted over with that Free French thingie (and to hide the pink) and weathered to keep the secret and all us guessin', those conniving cheese eaters. We oughta' task P-O to get to the bottom of this, tout de suite. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:05 pm
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- Jens_O_Mehner
Ooops,

shouldn't do these late-nighters- the frontview is an M32, I think an M32B2, the rear end is that of an M74.

Sorry about that

Jens O.


No, I think you're right the first time...you had me hustle to my "Sherman" and only the M74 had the blade and the winch up on the turret, 'ccording to that.
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