±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 687
Total: 687
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Photo Gallery
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Photo Gallery
12: Home
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Downloads
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Downloads
22: Community Forums
23: Your Account
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Photo Gallery
27: Your Account
28: CPGlang
29: Community Forums
30: Home
31: Community Forums
32: Photo Gallery
33: Photo Gallery
34: Home
35: Member Screenshots
36: Community Forums
37: Home
38: Photo Gallery
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Photo Gallery
42: Statistics
43: Home
44: Home
45: Photo Gallery
46: Home
47: News
48: Downloads
49: Statistics
50: Photo Gallery
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Home
54: Community Forums
55: Home
56: Home
57: Photo Gallery
58: Photo Gallery
59: Community Forums
60: Photo Gallery
61: Community Forums
62: Home
63: Home
64: Home
65: Home
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Photo Gallery
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Photo Gallery
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Downloads
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: News Archive
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Your Account
88: Home
89: Home
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Downloads
94: Community Forums
95: Photo Gallery
96: Photo Gallery
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Photo Gallery
102: Your Account
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Photo Gallery
108: Home
109: Statistics
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: News Archive
115: Downloads
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: News
119: Home
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: Treasury
123: Photo Gallery
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Home
131: Photo Gallery
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Home
136: Home
137: Home
138: Home
139: Downloads
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Photo Gallery
143: Downloads
144: Community Forums
145: Photo Gallery
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Community Forums
150: Photo Gallery
151: Photo Gallery
152: Home
153: Photo Gallery
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Photo Gallery
158: Home
159: Home
160: Home
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Your Account
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Downloads
173: Community Forums
174: CPGlang
175: Downloads
176: Photo Gallery
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Photo Gallery
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: Photo Gallery
186: Community Forums
187: Member Screenshots
188: Community Forums
189: Photo Gallery
190: Community Forums
191: Home
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Home
200: Downloads
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Home
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Photo Gallery
233: Home
234: Home
235: Home
236: Community Forums
237: Home
238: Community Forums
239: Home
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: CPGlang
245: Your Account
246: Photo Gallery
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Photo Gallery
251: Community Forums
252: Downloads
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Home
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Photo Gallery
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Downloads
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Home
275: Community Forums
276: Home
277: Photo Gallery
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Your Account
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Photo Gallery
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: News Archive
289: Community Forums
290: Photo Gallery
291: Home
292: Community Forums
293: Member Screenshots
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Downloads
299: Community Forums
300: Home
301: Home
302: Photo Gallery
303: Photo Gallery
304: Supporters
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Home
309: Photo Gallery
310: Community Forums
311: Home
312: Home
313: Community Forums
314: Home
315: Community Forums
316: Statistics
317: Photo Gallery
318: Downloads
319: Community Forums
320: Photo Gallery
321: Home
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Home
325: Community Forums
326: Photo Gallery
327: Photo Gallery
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Home
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Home
334: Community Forums
335: Photo Gallery
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Home
342: Community Forums
343: Member Screenshots
344: Community Forums
345: Photo Gallery
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Home
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Home
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Member Screenshots
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Photo Gallery
361: Community Forums
362: Home
363: Community Forums
364: Home
365: Downloads
366: Community Forums
367: Home
368: Home
369: Downloads
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Your Account
374: Community Forums
375: Photo Gallery
376: Home
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Member Screenshots
385: Photo Gallery
386: Photo Gallery
387: Home
388: Community Forums
389: Photo Gallery
390: Community Forums
391: Member Screenshots
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: CPGlang
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Downloads
402: Community Forums
403: Photo Gallery
404: Community Forums
405: Home
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Photo Gallery
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Photo Gallery
412: Home
413: Photo Gallery
414: Home
415: Community Forums
416: CPGlang
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: CPGlang
421: Home
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Member Screenshots
427: Community Forums
428: Home
429: Home
430: Statistics
431: Community Forums
432: Photo Gallery
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Photo Gallery
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Downloads
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Photo Gallery
455: Your Account
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Home
460: Home
461: Downloads
462: Home
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Home
469: Community Forums
470: Downloads
471: Community Forums
472: Home
473: Downloads
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Photo Gallery
477: Community Forums
478: Member Screenshots
479: Community Forums
480: Home
481: Community Forums
482: Photo Gallery
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Photo Gallery
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: CPGlang
494: Photo Gallery
495: Photo Gallery
496: Community Forums
497: Photo Gallery
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Downloads
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Photo Gallery
504: News
505: Member Screenshots
506: Photo Gallery
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Home
510: Statistics
511: Photo Gallery
512: Home
513: Community Forums
514: Photo Gallery
515: Community Forums
516: Downloads
517: Home
518: Community Forums
519: Downloads
520: Photo Gallery
521: Member Screenshots
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Photo Gallery
528: Your Account
529: Statistics
530: Photo Gallery
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Photo Gallery
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Photo Gallery
539: Member Screenshots
540: Photo Gallery
541: Photo Gallery
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Photo Gallery
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Home
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Home
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Home
557: CPGlang
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Home
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Downloads
568: CPGlang
569: Home
570: Community Forums
571: Photo Gallery
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Photo Gallery
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Home
582: Photo Gallery
583: Community Forums
584: Home
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Photo Gallery
588: Downloads
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: Home
594: Community Forums
595: Community Forums
596: Photo Gallery
597: Community Forums
598: Photo Gallery
599: Photo Gallery
600: Community Forums
601: Photo Gallery
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Downloads
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Photo Gallery
608: Community Forums
609: Photo Gallery
610: Community Forums
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Photo Gallery
618: Photo Gallery
619: Your Account
620: Community Forums
621: Photo Gallery
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Photo Gallery
626: Community Forums
627: Community Forums
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: News
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Statistics
635: Photo Gallery
636: Community Forums
637: Photo Gallery
638: Home
639: Community Forums
640: Photo Gallery
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Photo Gallery
646: Photo Gallery
647: Home
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: News Archive
652: Community Forums
653: Home
654: Community Forums
655: Photo Gallery
656: Community Forums
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Community Forums
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Photo Gallery
664: Community Forums
665: Photo Gallery
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: Community Forums
669: Photo Gallery
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Photo Gallery
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Photo Gallery
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Community Forums
681: Your Account
682: Downloads
683: Photo Gallery
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Community Forums
687: Downloads

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
"AAR" :: Archived
A general meeting place for all pilots!
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  Officer's Club

Topic Archived View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6257
Location: Cyberspace
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:12 am
Post subject: "AAR"

"After Action Report". Way after. Oral history from my former cmdr. (CO of an Air Cav Sqdn., now deceased) as transcribed by his daughter. I deleted the names because some are principals in another story I'm debating whether or not to relate.
___________________________________________________________


Hi (“Ascout�);
Don't be too amazed by my depth of recollection - I have to refresh my
memory with audio tapes and notes I made during conversations with my
father. Like I said, I got it in my head at one time to write a book, so I interviewed him. Unfortunately, he became so sick that there are details on the audio tapes that are missing. He tried very hard to help me understand everything, but there are some gaps. For example, it took me quite awhile to determine that the incident at Hickory Hill happened in 1971 - for some reason I had it in my head it happened in 1968, but I couldn't figure out why Maj. ------ was there! It takes some time, but it starts to make some sense.

I just looked back at my transcript of one of the tapes and there is mention of a Maj. -----2 during the incident in Laos, so it must be the same guy. Dad didn't say anything negative about -----2, though - here are his words:

"The aircraft went down; they'd shot him down. He went down and he hit the ground real hard. Only one guy got out of the aircraft; there was four in it, the Lt. Col., his co-pilot, the door-gunner and the crew chief. The Crew Chief is the only on that got out. The aircraft hit the ground and the Crew Chief said the Lt. Col. was decapitated on impact. Part of the windshield or part of the aircraft came apart and took his head off. The other guy was hit; and part of his head was shot off, the co-pilot. The door gunner was in the aircraft, but he had been hit apparently too. Blood was all over the place, according to the Crew Chief. Maj. ----- and his people were there, and I was there within 30 seconds to a minute behind them. They hit an area that was as wide as Brown's yard over there. The thing was burning as it went down, it hit the ground and the one guy got out and started running. Maj. -----2 yelled at his gun birds, "cover me" and he
was the one that went in and picked him up. I came in behind him. I don't remember how many hits ------ took, seems like 20-30 hits, and he snatched the guy on the run. He came in, hesitated by him, the guy dove into the aircraft, and he never even touched the ground. He had a gun team on each side of him firing like crazy trying to cover him and get him out of there, and he still got hit 20-30 times. He got the one guy out; nobody else got out of that aircraft. It burned to a pile of ashes. It was an open area, so you'd seen anyone else leaving. And we asked the crew chief, and he said, "No, they're all dead". He said he didn't know about the door gunner, said he was either dead or unconscious. He was actually thrown out of the aircraft on impact himself. But he was still conscious, and he jumped up and started running. He wouldn't have lived either, if he hadn't."

It truly is an amazing story - and absolutely so unbelievable the things people do. I guess they are the ones that have to live with themselves and look in the mirror each day.

I'd love to see your pictures - and when we get out that way, we'll look you up. Our kids live in Aliso Viejo, so we get out there at least once a year. Also, we have some friends that live in Carlsbad. I don't think San Diego is too far from there. My mother has most of Dad's pictures - he put them from her next time we get together - I wish we'd started our "conversation" earlier - she was just here for Christmas, I could have asked her to bring them.
___________________________________________________________

_________________
"All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
JG300-Dan736
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 26, 2005
Posts: 484
Location: Burlinton Ont
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 2:21 pm
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

Thats quite an intense storie Ascout,thanks for sharing and I hope that you are able to help her with a successful book.

_________________

eagles may soar but a weasel won't get sucked into a jet engine
Back to top
View user's profile
JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6257
Location: Cyberspace
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 4:51 pm
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

Believe me, it gets more intense. Some of what happened later almost defies belief, but I was there and know it to be true. Regrettably, it culminates in the relief of two field grade officers (unjustifiably, and this was later reversed), reflects VERY poorly on more than one general officer, and some of the main characters are still living....one of them a judge. One must tread VERY lightly with regard to the narrative...and identities have to be protected. I'm not sure if it can be done, but I'm working on it. (Just the story...not a book...I don't think that will ever happen, for reasons just described).

_________________
"All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
CrashEd
CrasherMaster

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 13, 2004
Posts: 450

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2005 5:15 pm
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

Caint wait to read more! thanks for shareing.

_________________


Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:47 am
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

OK I'll bite.......is this right so far.....

At this point Maj. ----2 sounds like he has tons of guts and definitely has his sh%% together, swooping down in there under fire and pulling the lone surviving Crew Chief out.... Crew Chief was a lucky fellow indeed to have been thrown clear AND be able to have his wits about him to get up and start running. So far so good.

But now, is "Maj.---- and his people" who were there, are they still on the ground, in the bush, or waiting to get picked up? Sounds like this place (LZ presumably?) is crawling....and any word, later, on the door gunner who could have just been unconscious? The Crew Chief has a lot of detail about what happened inside the helo when it impacted, even though he was thrown clear and got away from the wreck pretty fast.

Trying to be careful here but awful hard not to ask.......

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6257
Location: Cyberspace
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:04 am
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

Stoopy...
Nobody is left on the ground except for the three KIA...a LTC, his co-pilot, and a door gunner. Same Major in both references, the first one to some "pre-history". Yes, ton's o' guts....Troop CO and a principle Cav Troop in Lam Son 719. Unusual rank for a Troop CO (most often, a captain).

The door gunner is "presumed" dead, since he was unresponsive but not examined...and in any case, attempted rescue was clearly out of the question. Nobody could have been inserted to find out at the moment and the A/C then burned to ash.

_________________
"All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:14 am
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

Thanks. Certainly not trying to second-guess anything here, but since it sounds (from your comments) like there's quite a bit more to the story, am just wondering where it stems from. The Crew Chief has a lot of detail about what happened inside the helo when it impacted, even though he was thrown clear on impact and jumped up running... well who the heck wouldn't.

BTW just finished reading a paperback called "War Pilot" by Richard Kirkland.....P-38 pilot who flew some of the first helo's after WWII and in Korea. Has several stories in a last chapters from fellow pilots who were in Vietnam, very intense stuff on par with the above. If you haven't read it I'd like to send it to you if interested, and if you haven't read it already.

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6257
Location: Cyberspace
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 8:22 am
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

Con't:

"Just so you know the reporting structure and time frame (you probably
already do, but anyway...) Dad went back to Viet Nam in 1971 (his 4th tour), this time reporting to Gen. ---------- as the squadron commander. Gen. ------ requested him by name, BG------ had turned him down for the assignment, but outranked, so Dad took the job. (When he got there, the Squadron had been detached from the division; so he no longer worked for Gen. ---- and Gen. -----. The unit had been detached and attached directly to XXIV Corps.) It was about a third the way through Lam Son 719 and Nixon was saying we don't have American ground troops in Laos - so the Hac Bao came into the picture, which gave us Vietnamese ground troops. And then of course, there was the Air Cav (also, “not� on the ground). This is where Dad met Major Doan (the one in the picture with him. He'd met Capt. Nge before in 1967, when Dad commanded A Troop of the - and -th Cav.)

If I recall correctly, the animosity between Gen. ---- and my father began at "XXXX" Hill. The night before the operation, Dad briefed everyone – and gained concurrence from all - the Corp Commander, Division Commander and Assistant Division Commander. But some pencil-pusher in the White House decides that Dad and his men are too far out and issues a command to get off of the hill. Dad gets the word from a 1 star, namely Gen. ----; when he questioned where the order came from, he was told it came from the White House, but ---- wouldn't go back and question the order. Since Dad refused the order, and told Gen. ------ that it was too late to pull out, that they were in the middle of the operation by this point in time and to move out meant abandoning about 200 men who were dependent on the radio relay station on "XXX" hill. But Gen. ---- just gets General ------ on the line, a 2 star, and then ultimately the 3 star (don't remember his name) - but by then, they'd lost radio contact. Needless to say, they chewed him out pretty bad, but nothing really happened.

Anyway, back to the story - so Dad was reporting to General ------- and is responsible for the northern perimeter of Khe Sanh. General ----- is there, too, assigned to the -- and -th brigade - I think it was called a Mech Brigade? Anyway, his (------) job was to open up the highway from Quang Tri to Khe Sanh and to initially secure the Khe Sanh area, then to spread out and provide perimeter security. He was told specifically to keep his folks out of Laos - his folks were all ground troops except for an Air Cav unit he had. Dad, however, had heard from his predecessor LTC ---------, I think his name was, that Gen. ----- kept messing around in Laos. So before it happened again, there was a meeting with -----, -----, and my dad. Dad asked Gen. ----- what the rules were, and -----laid it out: "----- was to stay out of Laos, nobody goes after dead bodies, and nobody retrieves lost aircraft". They did have to document where every aircraft went down.

A couple of days after this meeting, the squadron commander for Gen. ---- Cav squadron was shot down in Laos - 7½ kilometers into Laos.
Coincidentally, “X� Troop commander was there and reported it to Dad, who had just refueled and was headed back into Laos. The “X� troop guy saw the aircraft go down, said it hit real hard - only one man (of 4) got out - the Crew Chief - who reported that the LTC was decapitated on impact, the co-pilot and door-gunner were shot dead. “X� troop got the Crew Chief out, but the aircraft had burnt to a pile of ashes. They dropped him off at the --- and -th, which prompted a question as to what was being done about the other three men - when Dad said "Nothing", he got an order from Gen. ----- to report. Dad refused to go right then, so this may be some of the insubordination you heard about. He did, however, go see Gen. ----- about 3 hours later, and found him pretty irate over the fact that Dad wasn't doing anything to recover his crew. Since Dad was authorized to be in Laos, Gen. ---- wanted him to recover those three dead bodies. After all, if he didn't recover the bodies, they had to be reported - accurately. This would place them 7½ kilometers INSIDE LAOS and Gen. ----- had been told to keep his people out of Laos. He was going to be in trouble, that's what it amounted to - especially since he's already reported them 7½ kilometers INSIDE VIETNAM.
This is why he needed the bodies. Otherwise, they're MIA and everyone wants to know where they went missing."

...and then, it gets weird. Really weird. With results that last another 7 years and, BTW, also precipitated a scenario where an Aerorifle Troop mounts up (armed) for a confrontation with 101st Airborne Div. Command HQ....until the situation is defuzed by the then-acting Sqdn. CO.

And that's about all I can safely say about this bizarre episode.

Talk about "handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500".....

_________________
"All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
JG300-fr8ycat
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 13, 2005
Posts: 1528
Location: Los Angeles
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 10:48 am
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

yea, thanks for sharing ASCOUT. Stories like this are amazing and I could read them all day, many times I have.

I have had the privelage to hear some first hand at a couple of reunions I have attended with my Father for his unit, a few posted on their site. Listening to the pilots and crewcheifs tell there stories it was almost unreal, but as one pilot put it, "you couldn't make this stuff up in the movies".

You know I heard a saying which says a lot and unfortunately I cant remember if this is how it goes exactly (will probably hack it up) but you'll get the idea,

"extraordinary men do not create extraordinary circumstances, extraordinary circumstances create extraordinary men".
Back to top
View user's profile MSN Messenger Photo Gallery
JG300-1Bullet
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 1117
Location: Odessa, Texas
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:06 pm
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

Ascout
I just finished a book called "Snake Driver" that has some good stories about the cobra in Viet Nam. Also mentions Camp Eagle which I though was cool. I posted it in the book section.

www.com-central.net/in...&t=715

_________________

You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6257
Location: Cyberspace
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:22 pm
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

Camp Eagle was my first "home" there. But the addon is not mine...That's Marty's over at Rotorwash. I did Phu Bai, which is there also, they were very close.

Checked your book ref...you might want to go here, as I took the photo's and got the story posted of the A/4/77th ARA bird (we worked with that unit, then later absorbed them)
The pics (frame of 4) are the ones on the left. Taken after recovery at Phu Bai...
www.vhpamuseum.org/ara...thara.html
Smile

_________________
"All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
CrashEd
CrasherMaster

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 13, 2004
Posts: 450

PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:13 pm
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

"Images courtesy of Ed Miller, C btry 4/77 ARA" This guy sure has a good name Mr. Green

_________________


Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
JG300-1Bullet
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 1117
Location: Odessa, Texas
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 7:18 pm
Post subject: Re: "AAR"

Good story Ascout thanks.
The first Cobra I saw was when I was in the 9th grade at the then Ector County Airport during the annual airshow. It was the coolest helicopter I had ever seen. They did a demo with it and I had never seen any helicopter so maneuverable. They did simulated gun runs along the runway, pulled up into the pure vertical, pivot around and come back down for another pass.. totally amazing. And to top that off she was fast too.
Still the sleekest looking chopper around Smile
Good luck with your project.

_________________

You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  Officer's Club
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours

Archive Revive
Username:
This is an archived topic - your reply will not be appended here.
Instead, a new topic will be generated in the active forum.
The new topic will provide a reference link to this archived topic.