±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 149
Total: 149
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Downloads
03: CPGlang
04: Home
05: Home
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: CPGlang
09: Home
10: Community Forums
11: CPGlang
12: CPGlang
13: Your Account
14: Home
15: Member Screenshots
16: CPGlang
17: Home
18: Community Forums
19: Statistics
20: CPGlang
21: CPGlang
22: CPGlang
23: Photo Gallery
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Downloads
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Home
30: CPGlang
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Home
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Photo Gallery
37: Member Screenshots
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: CPGlang
41: CPGlang
42: Community Forums
43: CPGlang
44: Photo Gallery
45: Home
46: CPGlang
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: CPGlang
51: CPGlang
52: Community Forums
53: CPGlang
54: Community Forums
55: Home
56: CPGlang
57: Member Screenshots
58: Community Forums
59: CPGlang
60: CPGlang
61: Home
62: CPGlang
63: Community Forums
64: Photo Gallery
65: CPGlang
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: CPGlang
70: Home
71: CPGlang
72: Home
73: Home
74: CPGlang
75: Community Forums
76: CPGlang
77: Statistics
78: Home
79: CPGlang
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: CPGlang
85: Community Forums
86: CPGlang
87: Community Forums
88: CPGlang
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Home
92: CPGlang
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Downloads
97: Community Forums
98: CPGlang
99: CPGlang
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Home
103: Member Screenshots
104: Member Screenshots
105: Home
106: Home
107: CPGlang
108: Community Forums
109: CPGlang
110: Community Forums
111: CPGlang
112: CPGlang
113: Home
114: Community Forums
115: Home
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: CPGlang
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Home
124: Home
125: CPGlang
126: Community Forums
127: Member Screenshots
128: Photo Gallery
129: CPGlang
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: CPGlang
133: Community Forums
134: CPGlang
135: Community Forums
136: Home
137: CPGlang
138: Home
139: CPGlang
140: Member Screenshots
141: CPGlang
142: Community Forums
143: Home
144: CPGlang
145: Community Forums
146: CPGlang
147: CPGlang
148: CPGlang
149: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Thun army base. Diesel Centurion
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:35 am
Post subject: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

Another great discovery from my last trip. This Centurion is a prototype with diesel engine, that was at some point evaluated by the swiss army, but never entered in service. It's not clear if the tank was a swiss one, retrofitted with the new engine, or it came from England. The conversion looks similar to the one made in Israel, but I can't tell which engine's model was used.
The r/n used starts with zero, meaning it was an experimental vehicle













Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2061
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

If the air cleaner units are any clue, I'd say she's using the Continental AVDS-1790 series engine. What I find interesting is the units are equipped with Air Restriction indicators. Something that wasn't applied until the 70's.

BTW, very nice collection of pictures Massimo.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

Thanks Joe. I was expecting some help from your side Wink

I remember reading something on a book covering israelian Centurions, I'll dig it and see if there is any mention of english/swiss attempts on diesel engine.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

Is this one in the museum or ''just'' a gateguard/monument at Thun?

Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

In 1968 two Dutch Centurions (a mk.5/2 serial KX-10-72 and a mk. 7/2 serial KX-94-00) were equipped with a Continental A.V.D.S.-1790-2 diesel-engine by the 574th Tank Workshop in Leusden. These two tanks were given back to the USA and MAYBE delivered to Israel. This test was a success, but it cost 800.000 guilders back in those times. A brand new Leopard 1 costed 1.100.000 guilders. So the NL cents were not modified.

Interesting that the Swiss also had Diesel cents.

Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

Is this one in the museum or ''just'' a gateguard/monument at Thun?


It's a monument inside the army base. That's why it's the first time I ever heard of it.

The Panzermuseum (outdoor) has two Centurions, one swiss, one canadian:
www.preservedtanks.com...p;Select=4

The SHP collection (indoor) has a swiss Centurion in running order.

BTW Lesley, this time I took some additional shots of the T-54A:
www.preservedtanks.com...p;Select=4

I'll send them to Trevor later on, to add to what's already on his website

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:57 am
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

Thanks Massimo!

Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
ossie
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 81

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:31 am
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

Hi
I have been interested in this Centurion for some time doesn’t think it is Israeli but I think the hull is Jordanian.
Reason I say that is it is fitted with hydro gas suspension and is rare on it sown the only other tank to have this n the upgraded Centurions is the Olifant.
But this uses a late hull so could be a Israeli one or more then likely a Jordanian one.
Reason I say this is that when the Sweden was looking at upgrading they were given a hull from Israeli and they put a turret on it.
Same with South Africa.
the Hump looks different to others and also makes me think its Jordanian hull.
Ossie
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:29 am
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

Thanks Ossie. How you can recognize a Centurion with hydro gas suspension? Where such suspensions only used in South Africa? Who designed it?
I have no written documentation about this tank, so any additional info you could gain is the most welcome.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2061
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

The Jordanian connection would explain the later air cleaner boxes with restriction gauges.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Landsverk
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 10, 2010
Posts: 48

PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:32 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

Two links to Youtube, one Diesel Centurion and one Standard Centurion out in the open last week.
Swedish Army converted 80 Centurions to diesel early 1980's, same configuration as the Israeli. These tanks were used until 2000. Now only a few remain in museums.
The tanks on the links belong to the Swedish Army Museum and they will be a part of the new vehicle museum - Arsenalen - that will open next year.

Stridsvagn 104: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UfAXpo1NgI
Stridsvagn 101: www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpVRW8U8Bv8
Back to top
View user's profile
WimD.
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 118
Location: The Netherlands
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

Hello,

Very interesting to see and to compare the Diesel with the Gasoline version.
HP and torque almost the same, but the automatic gear-box makes the difference, I think.

Regards,
Wim.
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

Last year in Full I've got the opportunity to chat with an old guy who served in the israelian army as a Centurion driver, first with the gasoline tanks, then diesel. He is a veteran of Six Days, Attrition and Kippur wars. He is retired and now works as volunteer in the museum.

He said that the diesel engine really made the difference, making the tank much easier and pleasant to drive.

I've met him briefly 15 days ago, during season re-opening in Full. I told him about this very specific tank, he was aware of it, because another volunteer was involved during the testings, but he never seen a picture of it. They both wish this tank will move to Full one day Smile

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2061
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:27 am
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

I noticed the same thing in the videos,

The major difference is the CD-850 series transmission. Just a beautiful piece of machinery and effortless to steer. Hard to believe it's been around since the M46 and still in use today.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Thun army base. Diesel Centurion

Using an online translator on this page gives some additional info:
www.centurion-verein.c...rofit.html

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum