±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 703
Total: 703
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Downloads
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Community Forums
08: Downloads
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Photo Gallery
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Home
17: Member Screenshots
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Home
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: Downloads
29: Photo Gallery
30: Community Forums
31: Photo Gallery
32: Downloads
33: Community Forums
34: Home
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Downloads
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Downloads
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Member Screenshots
46: Downloads
47: Your Account
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Downloads
51: Downloads
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Photo Gallery
55: Home
56: Photo Gallery
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Photo Gallery
61: Downloads
62: Photo Gallery
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Downloads
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Downloads
71: Community Forums
72: Member Screenshots
73: Community Forums
74: CPGlang
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Home
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Photo Gallery
90: Photo Gallery
91: Downloads
92: Photo Gallery
93: Community Forums
94: Home
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Community Forums
102: Photo Gallery
103: Downloads
104: Statistics
105: Community Forums
106: Member Screenshots
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Downloads
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Home
113: Community Forums
114: Downloads
115: Member Screenshots
116: Photo Gallery
117: Photo Gallery
118: Community Forums
119: Home
120: Downloads
121: Photo Gallery
122: Community Forums
123: CPGlang
124: Photo Gallery
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Your Account
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Your Account
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: CPGlang
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Photo Gallery
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Downloads
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: CPGlang
158: Photo Gallery
159: Community Forums
160: Home
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Photo Gallery
164: Community Forums
165: Photo Gallery
166: Photo Gallery
167: Photo Gallery
168: Community Forums
169: Member Screenshots
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Photo Gallery
173: Community Forums
174: Downloads
175: Community Forums
176: Photo Gallery
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Downloads
186: Downloads
187: Home
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Home
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Photo Gallery
198: Home
199: CPGlang
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Photo Gallery
204: Photo Gallery
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Downloads
208: Home
209: Member Screenshots
210: Home
211: Photo Gallery
212: Photo Gallery
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Home
216: Photo Gallery
217: CPGlang
218: Photo Gallery
219: Home
220: Home
221: Photo Gallery
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Photo Gallery
228: Home
229: Community Forums
230: CPGlang
231: CPGlang
232: Home
233: Community Forums
234: Search
235: Downloads
236: Home
237: Community Forums
238: CPGlang
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Home
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Member Screenshots
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Photo Gallery
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Downloads
255: Community Forums
256: Downloads
257: Member Screenshots
258: Community Forums
259: Photo Gallery
260: Community Forums
261: CPGlang
262: Community Forums
263: Photo Gallery
264: Community Forums
265: Photo Gallery
266: Photo Gallery
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Member Screenshots
272: Community Forums
273: Photo Gallery
274: Downloads
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: News
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Home
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Downloads
285: Community Forums
286: Downloads
287: Community Forums
288: Photo Gallery
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Photo Gallery
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Downloads
298: Community Forums
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Downloads
304: Community Forums
305: Downloads
306: Photo Gallery
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Photo Gallery
313: Community Forums
314: CPGlang
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Photo Gallery
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Downloads
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Your Account
333: Downloads
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: CPGlang
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Downloads
345: News Archive
346: Downloads
347: Community Forums
348: Downloads
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Downloads
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Home
355: Community Forums
356: Downloads
357: Community Forums
358: Downloads
359: Home
360: Downloads
361: Your Account
362: Home
363: Photo Gallery
364: Photo Gallery
365: Community Forums
366: Downloads
367: Home
368: Member Screenshots
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Downloads
376: Photo Gallery
377: Photo Gallery
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: CPGlang
386: Community Forums
387: Photo Gallery
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Home
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: CPGlang
394: Community Forums
395: CPGlang
396: Photo Gallery
397: CPGlang
398: Home
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Downloads
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Your Account
407: Community Forums
408: Your Account
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Downloads
418: Community Forums
419: Downloads
420: Community Forums
421: Search
422: Downloads
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Home
426: Community Forums
427: Home
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Downloads
431: Community Forums
432: Photo Gallery
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Home
436: Community Forums
437: Member Screenshots
438: Community Forums
439: Downloads
440: Community Forums
441: Photo Gallery
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Your Account
448: Home
449: Downloads
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Your Account
454: Photo Gallery
455: Photo Gallery
456: Photo Gallery
457: Downloads
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Downloads
464: Community Forums
465: Home
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Downloads
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Photo Gallery
491: Community Forums
492: Downloads
493: Home
494: Community Forums
495: Photo Gallery
496: Photo Gallery
497: Photo Gallery
498: Community Forums
499: Photo Gallery
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Home
506: Photo Gallery
507: Community Forums
508: Photo Gallery
509: Statistics
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Photo Gallery
513: Photo Gallery
514: Photo Gallery
515: Downloads
516: Community Forums
517: Downloads
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Member Screenshots
521: Home
522: Community Forums
523: Photo Gallery
524: Downloads
525: Community Forums
526: Photo Gallery
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Photo Gallery
538: Downloads
539: Community Forums
540: Photo Gallery
541: Community Forums
542: CPGlang
543: Community Forums
544: Home
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Photo Gallery
554: Photo Gallery
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Photo Gallery
558: Member Screenshots
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Home
563: Photo Gallery
564: Community Forums
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Your Account
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Member Screenshots
576: Downloads
577: Home
578: Home
579: Downloads
580: Photo Gallery
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Downloads
585: Community Forums
586: Downloads
587: Community Forums
588: Photo Gallery
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Photo Gallery
592: Community Forums
593: CPGlang
594: Community Forums
595: CPGlang
596: Community Forums
597: Photo Gallery
598: Photo Gallery
599: Community Forums
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Community Forums
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Home
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Downloads
614: Community Forums
615: Downloads
616: Community Forums
617: Home
618: Downloads
619: Photo Gallery
620: Community Forums
621: Community Forums
622: Community Forums
623: Downloads
624: Community Forums
625: Downloads
626: Community Forums
627: Community Forums
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Downloads
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums
638: Downloads
639: Community Forums
640: Downloads
641: Statistics
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: Photo Gallery
651: CPGlang
652: Community Forums
653: Downloads
654: Downloads
655: News Archive
656: Community Forums
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Community Forums
661: Photo Gallery
662: Community Forums
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: Photo Gallery
667: Community Forums
668: Home
669: Community Forums
670: Downloads
671: Photo Gallery
672: Community Forums
673: Home
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Photo Gallery
677: Photo Gallery
678: Photo Gallery
679: Community Forums
680: Downloads
681: Community Forums
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Home
685: Photo Gallery
686: Community Forums
687: Community Forums
688: Downloads
689: Home
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Home
696: Downloads
697: Community Forums
698: Home
699: Community Forums
700: Photo Gallery
701: Community Forums
702: Community Forums
703: Member Screenshots

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M3 Lee/Grant medium tank question, possible early WWII
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:53 am
Post subject: M3 Lee/Grant medium tank question, possible early WWII

Hi Folks!

I just got home from a model club meeting and I have a question about the inside of a M3 Medium tank. One the right side of the crew compartment is a rack for main gun ammo (75mm or possible 37mm). On top of that ammo rack is a tray with discs in it. Would any of you know if those discs are magazines for a Tommy gun?

Thanks Guys!
Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:23 am
Post subject: Re: M3 Lee/Grant medium tank question, possible early WWII

Amplify report, Sgt.....approximately how many disks?

I have doubts about drum magazines being made available in any quantity to the military, and particularly to an esteemed ally. 50 and 100 round Thompson drums were and are considerably more expensive than stick mags and making them available for contingency use as an auxiliary arm for tankers seems even more unlikely. But that's not to say it wasn't planned for originally or even done. Never say never, and all that. I'd be very surprised, though.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:36 am
Post subject: Re: M3 Lee/Grant medium tank question, possible early WWII

- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Folks!

I just got home from a model club meeting and I have a question about the inside of a M3 Medium tank. One the right side of the crew compartment is a rack for main gun ammo (75mm or possible 37mm). On top of that ammo rack is a tray with discs in it. Would any of you know if those discs are magazines for a Tommy gun?

Thanks Guys!
Sgt, Scouts out!


Affirmative on them being for Tommy gun ammo drums. There's a pic on pg 62 of Hunnicutt's Sherman book showing 20 of them. Mounted on the fighting compartment wall, above the drums, is the Thompson itself and a tripod for a M1919A4 .30 cal. Another 4 drums were stowed to the left of the driver on the lower left of the fighting compartment wall, below an additional Thompson. Ammo load for a M3 Lee included 1200 rounds of .45 cal.

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
binder001
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 363

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:20 pm
Post subject: Re: M3 Lee/Grant medium tank question, possible early WWII

- Doug_Kibbey
I have doubts about drum magazines being made available in any quantity to the military, and particularly to an esteemed ally. 50 and 100 round Thompson drums were and are considerably more expensive than stick mags and making them available for contingency use as an auxiliary arm for tankers seems even more unlikely. But that's not to say it wasn't planned for originally or even done. Never say never, and all that. I'd be very surprised, though.


Doug, The early Armored Force DID issue a bunch of the 50-round drum magazines for the M1928A1 SMGs. They show up in a number of PR photos of M3 mediums, M3 lights and halftracks at Ft. Knox. One doesn't see a lot of them overseas (at least with the Army - occasionally with Marines on Guadalcanal). There was one old book touting the Armored Force that I read in the public library that showed a lot of tankers training with M1917 .45 revolvers. Interesting times for small arms.

Gary B.
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:05 pm
Post subject: Re: M3 Lee/Grant medium tank question, possible early WWII

Thanks, Guys.

I'd guess they didn't keep that up for very long, given the expense, awkwardness and weight of drum mags. They went into the war with a substantial surplus of M1921 and M1928A1's as Thompson sales pre-war had never lived up to expectations (for a while, there were even periodical magazine ads extolling the virtues of having them around on farms and such as "ranch guns", as official sales had been so disappointing). Those early guns (and mags) were extremely expensive to produce (hence the cheapy wartime M1 & M1A1 versions, which did not even accept drum mags, so you can be sure wartime supply dried up on those quickly). Drum mags are not and were not nearly as reliable as the stick magazines in practice, based on reports and personal experience.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:14 am
Post subject: Re: M3 Lee/Grant medium tank question, possible early WWII

Super Thanks Guys!

I knew you guys where the ones to ask!

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum