±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 314
Total: 314
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Photo Gallery
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Statistics
08: Downloads
09: News Archive
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: CPGlang
13: Community Forums
14: Your Account
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Member Screenshots
22: Home
23: Photo Gallery
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Photo Gallery
31: Home
32: Your Account
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Photo Gallery
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Home
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Photo Gallery
45: Community Forums
46: Home
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Your Account
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Photo Gallery
72: Community Forums
73: Home
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Photo Gallery
78: Home
79: Photo Gallery
80: Photo Gallery
81: Community Forums
82: Photo Gallery
83: Community Forums
84: CPGlang
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: Photo Gallery
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: CPGlang
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Contact
96: Home
97: Downloads
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Downloads
102: Home
103: News Archive
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Photo Gallery
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Photo Gallery
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Member Screenshots
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Photo Gallery
130: Community Forums
131: Home
132: News Archive
133: Downloads
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Home
138: Downloads
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Home
143: Community Forums
144: Downloads
145: Community Forums
146: Home
147: Community Forums
148: Home
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Search
152: Community Forums
153: CPGlang
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Photo Gallery
158: Home
159: News Archive
160: Community Forums
161: Home
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: CPGlang
165: CPGlang
166: Home
167: Photo Gallery
168: Home
169: CPGlang
170: Home
171: Home
172: Community Forums
173: Photo Gallery
174: Downloads
175: CPGlang
176: Your Account
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Community Forums
180: Photo Gallery
181: Community Forums
182: Home
183: Community Forums
184: Photo Gallery
185: Home
186: Downloads
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Home
190: Community Forums
191: Photo Gallery
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Home
197: Member Screenshots
198: Member Screenshots
199: Community Forums
200: Downloads
201: Photo Gallery
202: Downloads
203: Home
204: Photo Gallery
205: Community Forums
206: Home
207: Community Forums
208: News Archive
209: Community Forums
210: Home
211: Community Forums
212: Home
213: Photo Gallery
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Member Screenshots
218: Community Forums
219: Home
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Home
224: Member Screenshots
225: Home
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: CPGlang
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: CPGlang
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Photo Gallery
240: Member Screenshots
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Member Screenshots
247: Photo Gallery
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Home
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Downloads
256: Home
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: CPGlang
261: Photo Gallery
262: Photo Gallery
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Photo Gallery
266: Community Forums
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Downloads
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Home
273: Community Forums
274: Photo Gallery
275: News Archive
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Home
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Downloads
284: Community Forums
285: Home
286: Community Forums
287: News
288: Community Forums
289: News Archive
290: Community Forums
291: News
292: Photo Gallery
293: Community Forums
294: Home
295: Community Forums
296: Photo Gallery
297: Home
298: Community Forums
299: Home
300: Community Forums
301: Member Screenshots
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Member Screenshots
305: Photo Gallery
306: Home
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Photo Gallery
310: Photo Gallery
311: Photo Gallery
312: Photo Gallery
313: News
314: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, ... 11, 12, 13  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

Those vehicles were all in a hall near the museum entrance. Now on to those in the main Marshall Collection hall.


Unique ID 1703: Overloon Challenger




Unique ID 1704: Overloon Archer


_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

Unique ID 1705: Overloon Sexton





I did some research today and found out that the Challenger, Archer and Sexton came from a museum at Delfzijl so I have started to write it up:

Location ID 11370: Delfzijl Museum

If anyone has any additional information about this museum, and particularly photographs, I'd love to hear from you.

I also learnt about the fate of the crew of Jackal so I've added that information:

Unique ID 1702: Overloon Churchill "Jackal"

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:15 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

Delfzijl museum had a Spitfire on its roof.
rnlafmodelingsite.come...e-Mk-9-H-8

This thread appears to show several items of armour (& other bits, there must be dozens of Pak43 "Barn Doors" on display in Europe!) that are displayed in Holland

www.buzzybeeforum.nl/v...w=previous
Back to top
View user's profile
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:51 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

I will try to get you some information about this museum, however because it's some time ago (no digital camera's or internet at the time) it could be difficult


Concerning the buzzybee forum, most topics are only open to registrated members (like me Mr. Green ) .


Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:29 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

On to the vehicles in the Marshall Collection:


Unique ID 1706: Overloon G13



_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

- Pzkpfw-e
Delfzijl museum had a Spitfire on its roof.
rnlafmodelingsite.come...e-Mk-9-H-8


I'm not sure that that is the same museum - however, you encouraged me to delve a bit further and I have found a photograph that definitely is the right place as it has a Challenger tank in the background. I have added this photograph to the website and sent a link to the webmaster to check it's ok to use it, and to ask for further information on the museum (including whether it's the same one with the Spitfire).


- Michel_Krauss
I will try to get you some information about this museum, however because it's some time ago (no digital camera's or internet at the time) it could be difficult


Understood - anything you can find would appreciated, but I have enough now to complete the write-up, and I'll get back to doing the Marshall vehicles.


Location: 11370: Oorlogsmuseum Delfzijl




I have also added the photo to the Challenger's profile page.


[Latest Statistics for PTIN:
Locations: 6 -> 7
Tanks: 11 -> 15
Location Photos: 0 -> 1
Tank Photos: 145 -> 217]

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

German vehicles:


Unique ID 1707: Overloon Leopard




Unique ID 1708: Overloon Gepard


_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

Did some research about hte musuem at Delfzijl

- TrevorLarkum
- Pzkpfw-e
Delfzijl museum had a Spitfire on its roof.
rnlafmodelingsite.come...e-Mk-9-H-8


I'm not sure that that is the same museum - however, you encouraged me to delve a bit further and I have found a photograph that definitely is the right place as it has a Challenger tank in the background. I have added this photograph to the website and sent a link to the webmaster to check it's ok to use it, and to ask for further information on the museum (including whether it's the same one with the Spitfire).


It is the same museum.
Original the Spitfire was placed at ground level in front of the museum, like in the picture.
However it was used by kids to play on it and in time parts dis-appeared, so they decided to move the Spitfire to the roof of the building to keep it safe.


- TrevorLarkum
- Michel_Krauss
I will try to get you some information about this museum, however because it's some time ago (no digital camera's or internet at the time) it could be difficult


Understood - anything you can find would appreciated, but I have enough now to complete the write-up, and I'll get back to doing the Marshall vehicles.


I could not find any more information about the museum.
Tried the old newspaper archive, moving tanks would be something to write about, however nothing to be found.

The only info found that at the same location is a new museum about sealife that uses several WW2 German bunkers that where part of the Atlantic wall in that region.

Apparently the climate conditions inside bunkers are very good for such a museum Confused

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

- TrevorLarkum


There are two red marked erea's at the glacis plate, both of them holding stamped markings.
The one at the left hand side can't be identified, however the one at the right hand side has the stamped marking "NL12340"
Picture of it available

Michel

Edit: I also have some picture's of the Saurer diesel engine of the G13 Jagdpanzer

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

Yep, that is the ''fahrgestellnummer''/serial number of the hull. the markings (12E) are from A-eskadron, 2e peloton, E-tank of A-coy, 2nd platoon, radiocallsign ''E'' which is the tank of the platoon sergeant.

Original the Leopard 1s were Leopard 1A1s baulos 4. The V (verbeterd - Improved) was a Dutch modification with indeed the extra armour what the A1A1 also had but the ''V'' had some specific Dutch ''improvements''. The V is also called ''Verprutst'' (Messed up) by some old Leopard 1 commanders instead of ''Verbeterd'' (improved) Mr. Green

The Leopard 1 preserved at Oirschot (KU-93-35) is since a long time gone. First to Soesterberg to make it ready for use as hard target (draining all the oil etc) and then to Vlieland as range target. When the army part on the range closed the remains of KU-93-35 were sold for scrap metal. This was an original tank from 11 Tkbat.

It was replaced by a Leopard 1V from a mobilization complex, serial 12367, r/n KU-93-65. At the moment it is still in front of the main building of 11th tank batallion but it is unknown if it remains here when 11th tkbat disband.

Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

- TrevorLarkum
- Pzkpfw-e
Delfzijl museum had a Spitfire on its roof.
rnlafmodelingsite.come...e-Mk-9-H-8


I'm not sure that that is the same museum - however, you encouraged me to delve a bit further and I have found a photograph that definitely is the right place as it has a Challenger tank in the background. I have added this photograph to the website and sent a link to the webmaster to check it's ok to use it, and to ask for further information on the museum (including whether it's the same one with the Spitfire).

Yep, same Spitfire sitting behind the Challenger. Clipped-wings, LF MkIX.
Back to top
View user's profile
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:51 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

A brace of Shermans:


UID 1711: Overloon M4A4 on transporter





UID 1709: Overloon M4A2 (105) HVSS "Indefatigable Gerard"

[img]http://preservedtanks.com/Albums/American/1371-M4A2%20%28105%29%20HVSS%20Sherman/IMG-5837_M4A2-HVSS_Overloon_AArchive_c.jpg[/img]



UID 1710: Overloon M4A3 (105) HVSS "Harssens"/"Marbrig"

[img]http://preservedtanks.com/Albums/American/1372-M4A3%20%28105%29%20HVSS%20Sherman/IMG-5804_M4A3-HVSS_Overloon_AArchive_c.jpg[/img]

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:23 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

- Michel_Krauss
Did some research about hte musuem at Delfzijl

It is the same museum.
Original the Spitfire was placed at ground level in front of the museum, like in the picture.
However it was used by kids to play on it and in time parts dis-appeared, so they decided to move the Spitfire to the roof of the building to keep it safe.

I could not find any more information about the museum.
Tried the old newspaper archive, moving tanks would be something to write about, however nothing to be found.

The only info found that at the same location is a new museum about sealife that uses several WW2 German bunkers that where part of the Atlantic wall in that region.

Apparently the climate conditions inside bunkers are very good for such a museum :?




- Pzkpfw-e
Yep, same Spitfire sitting behind the Challenger. Clipped-wings, LF MkIX.



Thanks guys - I've updated the entry (text, links, location and photo caption), let me know if there's anything else to add:

Location 11370: Oorlogsmuseum Delfzijl

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

Older shot of G13
www.flickr.com/photos/...3712350011
Back to top
View user's profile
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands

Overloon's Panther, as "found".
www.panther1944.de/com...=6&p=37541
The last commentator may be worth contacting, as he has photos from 1964.
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 13
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, ... 11, 12, 13  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum