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Kurt_Laughlin · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 577

- C_Sherman

(Not sure, but I'm pretty sure that pretty much every US gun tube, artillery, tank and mortar, comes from Watervliet.)

Nowadays probably yes, but in WW II there were a number of contractors as you might expect.

KL

C_Sherman · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 590

Hi,

That is the serial off of the gun tube itself...which is probably obvious. The "Wvt. Ars." stands for Watervliet Arsenal, where most of the US tank gun tubes since WWII were made.

(Not sure, but I'm pretty sure that pretty much every US gun tube, artillery, tank and mortar, comes from Watervliet.)

C

Dontos · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: M36 Tank Destroyer

Today I was standing on the back deck of the M36 to photo other tanks. I happen to notice this, not sure how I missed it when I was taking all the photos of the M36.

Regards
Don

Dontos · Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: M36 Tank Destroyer

Hopefully this additional shot can help.

This is the Left rear view of the back side of the M36

Regards
Don

Tichenor · Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:46 am Post subject: Re: M36 Tank Destroyer

- the shadock

do you think it is enough to be sure it is an M36 and not an M36B2

If I'm correct the M36 used the hull of a M10A1 with the Ford GAA engine. The lower backplate (or how should I call this part) has the exhaust placed halfway on both sides of the door.
The M36B2 used the hull of the M10 with the twin diesel, witch has the exhaust higher almost on top of the plate.
So I would say its enough to identify the type looking at the exhaust.

Michel

Dontos · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: M36 Tank Destroyer

Kurt

There was no sign of any stampings on the rear tow lugs. I cleaned the lugs down to steel to try and find anything. Nothing.

The stampings I found were on the Radio operator side of the front plate beside the modified head light bracket. I didn't find anything on the drivers side exterior armor plates. The many layers of paint are probably hindering those, but I'll see about trying to find them on fututre RMP visits.

Regards
Don

Kurt_Laughlin · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 577

If you check the rear tow lugs they should have a S/N stamping as well.

If it was made from an M10 (i.e., M36B2) it would/should have a build number in the lower front corner of the upper hull side plate on the driver's side.

(See a similar marking in the same location on an M4A2 at P-O's wonderful site: the.shadock.free.fr/Ta...age17.html )

All M10s (and notably in this case some 40% of M10A1s) were built by Fisher, and stamping the build number (with a letter prefix) was a common Fisher marking.

KL

the_shadock · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: M36 Tank Destroyer

- Tichenor

- binder001

Trivia question - is there any way to tell if these ex-Yugoslavian vehices are M36s or M36B2s? With the changes in the engine and rear plate it seems impossible to tell but I thought I'd get other opinions.

Looking at Dontos picture of the rear you can clearly see the place where the exhaust of the Ford GAA engine was, also the bracket where the deflector was connected is still in place.

Michel

do you think it is enough to be sure it is an M36 and not an M36B2?

Pierre-Olivier

Tichenor · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: M36 Tank Destroyer

- binder001

Trivia question - is there any way to tell if these ex-Yugoslavian vehices are M36s or M36B2s? With the changes in the engine and rear plate it seems impossible to tell but I thought I'd get other opinions.

Looking at Dontos picture of the rear you can clearly see the place where the exhaust of the Ford GAA engine was, also the bracket where the deflector was connected is still in place.

Michel

L.Delsing · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Feb 10, 2006 Posts: 960

thanks for the info!

Neil_Baumgardner · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: M36 Tank Destroyer

Here's the info from Armor magazine:

Was “hit by a large caliber HEAT round that passed through the upper section of the transmission housing, sliced through the cabling on the radio, and impacted on the hull side wall. The entry hole had been welded over with a patch. The tank destroyer's original gasoline engine had been removed and replaced with a Soviet T-55 power plant because of the lack of spare parts,” according to “Two WWII Tank Destroyers Saved from the Balkan Wars Are Returning to U.S. Museums,” Armor, January-February 2000, 15.

Dontos · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:10 am Post subject: Re: M36 Tank Destroyer

- L.Delsing

I wonder what the story of this vehicle is. It looks like they plugged a hole from a hit.

Whas there any damage visible on the inside?

Regards,
Lesley

The splash mark & patch is how I realized I had seen this vehicle before. I was in Bosnia for SFOR 5 as Operations NCOIC of the 2/12 Cav TOC based at Camp Demi. Formerly located near Kladanj, near the ZOS. Our Operational area included two fairly large RS Weapon Storage Sites, one of which was where this particular vehicle was recovered in the summer of 1999. As I recall, the WSS was located near the town of Vlasnicia in the RS. I have a video tape filmed during the recovery of the M36, which plainly shows the same splash mark & patch, but unfortunately it has been packed away and I haven't been able to find it.

As for the specific cause of the splash, I don't know. There is no visible damage in the drivers compartment area. No impact/penetration marks in the interior. I assume the impact was a non-penetrating impact which appears to have been fired from an upper right angle, based on the spall marks.

Regards
Don

L.Delsing · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Feb 10, 2006 Posts: 960

I wonder what the story of this vehicle is. It looks like they plugged a hole from a hit.

Whas there any damage visible on the inside?

Regards,
Lesley

Dontos · Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: M36 Tank Destroyer

I don't have any rear deck shots, but here is the engine access / extension on the M36 here.

Regards
Don

toadmanstankpictures · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 704

- the_shadock

- binder001

Trivia question - is there any way to tell if these ex-Yugoslavian vehices are M36s or M36B2s? With the changes in the engine and rear plate it seems impossible to tell but I thought I'd get other opinions.

I would say that the engine deck plates would be a clue..

these are apparently engine plates from an M36, and we shoud see M4A2 engine plates on M36B2s.

P-O

I can verify this one on the 14th as I'll be at the MVTF giving tours.

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