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Rikard_Hufschmied · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Kubinka Panther Testdrive

Here's another link:

Panther II

/Rik

the_shadock · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Kubinka Panther Testdrive

look at the wheels and tracks ...

Panther II

Panther

a useful link :

Panther II

"In late 1942, German designers started the development of more powerful and slightly larger version of Panther mounted on a newly designed chassis"

Pierre-Olivier

C_Sherman · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 590

Hi all,

The earlier discussion about the Panther II left me wondering something.

What is the difference between a Panther and a Panther II? What makes it special? At one time I probably knew, and I'm sure I'll feel silly for asking once I know again, but I'm really curious.

Thanks,
C

Rikard_Hufschmied · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Kubinka Panther Testdrive

- oldtop

To rework the tires on a panther to original condition would cost some big bucks, they could just have recapped them and left out the viberation dampers. I know Littlefield had tires remanufactered for his panther with the dampers molded in them.

My only information is "reconditioned" but what that actually includes I don't know, I'll try to find out more.

/Rik

oldtop · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 17, 2006 Posts: 70

To rework the tires on a panther to original condition would cost some big bucks, they could just have recapped them and left out the viberation dampers. I know Littlefield had tires remanufactered for his panther with the dampers molded in them.

the_shadock · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Kubinka Panther Testdrive

I think that the camouflage patterns painted on Kubinka vehicles are more realistic (maybe not aesthetic, I agreee with you..) that some I was able to see in some museums (as the famous camouflage pattern on the Overloon museum Panther, or the colours chosen to paint the Bovington Jagdtiger, I don't know if it's realistic but I have some doubts..) Anyway, those vehicles are PAINTED.. (look at the Aberdeen Ferdinant, there is NOT ANY camouflage.. and it's a lot more horrible !!!!!!!)

Cheers from France

Pierre-Olivier

Rikard_Hufschmied · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Kubinka Panther Testdrive

- oldtop

To me the paint job is very interesting, it distracts from the size and shape of the vehicle and makes it hard to pick out details, I like to see it with a wooded/brush background. Notice the great shape the tires are, wonder where they found them.

I should have added "in my humble opinion".

I'm just not used to seeing recreated field applied German eastern front camo in color, didn't we have this same debate over Mike Gibb's "Strawberry Cheesecake" Jagdpanther?

And I agree, the staff and volounteers at Kubinka are doing a fantastic job in getting as many vehicles as possible in running condition; I salute them. And when I eventually will go there the paintjobs will be of little to none concern, I will undoubtedly be awstruck by all the behemoths of all kinds they house.

The tires are reconditioned originals to my knowledge, one of the benefits of having a roof over the exhibits.

Cheers,
Rik

oldtop · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 17, 2006 Posts: 70

To me the paint job is very interesting, it distracts from the size and shape of the vehicle and makes it hard to pick out details, I like to see it with a wooded/brush background. Notice the great shape the tires are, wonder where they found them.

Roy_A_Lingle · Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Kubinka Panther Testdrive

Hi Rikard! Hi Folks!

- Rikard_Hufschmied

... but the paintjob is still horrible, which goes for most of Kubinka unfortunatly.

I guess that is a major example of 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.

To me, the idea that a group of people would take the time and trouble to restore a Panther tank (and any other AFV) to running order is a thing of beauty. It makes being a member of the CIA club a lot more interesting.

As for the paint jobs at Kubinka, I am just thankful that their collection is now available for viewing. Something that for most of my life, I NEVER dreamed would ever happien.
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

Rikard_Hufschmied · Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Kubinka Panther Testdrive

- Roy_A_Lingle

Hi Rikard! Hi Folks!

- Rikard_Hufschmied

...now if they could only do something about that horrible paintjob (it is supposed to be accurate???)

From what I understand that paint job could be accurate. The vehicles came from the factory with a base color. The crews where issued cans of paste which they had to thin and then applied their way. I would think one should be carefull in saying NO WAY did any German vehicle ever get painted one way or another.

My 2 cents,
Sgt, Scouts Out!

Yeah I know ... but the paintjob is still horrible, which goes for most of Kubinka unfortunatly.

Cheers,
Rik

Maple_Leaf_Eh · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 517

- jcneel

The Fort Knox King Tiger:

Museums have a constant struggle with guests stealing from displays. I'm glad to see they chained down the King Tiger so the next mob of snot-nosed elementary school kids don't smuggle it onto the bus home.

the_shadock · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Kubinka Panther Testdrive

Thanks again Chris !!

I've taken the second one of the Kingtiger for my other PDF file, so I'm very glad to be able to find always better quality photos to update it..

Pierre-Olivier

jcneel · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Kubinka Panther Testdrive

- the_shadock

Chris, I've added your first front-right photo of the Panther II in my Panther PDF file, with credits to you.. thanks a lot.

Pierre-Olivier

Cool! Thanks - here are a couple of photos of the Fort Knox King Tiger from the same trip:

I have some more photos of the KT if you're interested, but these are the better overall shots.

cn

the_shadock · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Kubinka Panther Testdrive

- Dontos

The Panther II was restored back in the 70's-80's to operational condition. It was used in a number of 'Drive-By' events. I've heard a number of reasons for parking 'her'. But 'she' has been on display in her current location for long time. Interior wise she is decently 'functional'.

I've got to go by tomorrow, and will take camera and get some 'new' shots for you.

Don

Please, also try to take nice photos of the Kingtiger, if it's possible. I know that it's difficult to take good pictures because it's not very well lighted..

Thanks in advance.

Chris, I've added your first front-right photo of the Panther II in my Panther PDF file, with credits to you.. thanks a lot.

Pierre-Olivier

Roy_A_Lingle · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Kubinka Panther Testdrive

Hi Rikard! Hi Folks!

- Rikard_Hufschmied

...now if they could only do something about that horrible paintjob (it is supposed to be accurate???)

From what I understand that paint job could be accurate. The vehicles came from the factory with a base color. The crews where issued cans of paste which they had to thin and then applied their way. I would think one should be carefull in saying NO WAY did any German vehicle ever get painted one way or another. Confused

My 2 cents,
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

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