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bsmart · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:35 am Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

GD isn't in the airplane business. The old GD plant and F-16 production line is part of Lockheed Martin now (and has been for several years).

Vought became Ling Temco Vought (LTV Aerospace) for awhile and at one point they were a big steel producer.

I think Boeing and Lockheed Martin are it in the US for fixed wing military aircraft

Jinx · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- bsmart

"And one could point out that neither McDonnell nor Douglas are still around"

Lets see Vought isn't around, neither is Convair (well I guess as you put it 'buried in the bowels of Lockheed Martin' :-)) Lockheed & Martin have merged (and neither produce airplanes in the location they originally did) Republic is gone, North American disapeared in the bowels of somebody, Northrup & Grumman have merged but are hardly 'aircraft companies' anymore.

So who exactly are left?

Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, General Dynamics, and (at least potentially) Northrup-Grumman? Any others?

(Actually, on a whim i entered www.vought.com into my browser.....and they still exist! Although they no longer seem to build complete aircraft, anymore.....)

(Obligatory armour content: General Dynamics makes (or made, at least) the M1 Abrams tank.)

Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:57 am Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- bsmart

I posted a list of 'M-numbers' earlier in this thread. I got it from the old list somewhile back (a year or so ago?) Does anyone remember who posted it to the list? Was it you Neil?

The reason I ask is a couple folks have asked if they can take it to other lists. I don't want to claim ownership just because I thought to save it as a text file. So if someone else remembers who posted it I would appreciate their coming forward so the proper compiler can get credit

I can't answer your question, Bob, but I know that list (or one awfully like it) turned up elsewhere tonight when I was searching for something else:

www.mil-veh.org/archiv.../0507.html

BTW, it sure didn't look like 11 pages, single-spaced, until I printed it!

bsmart · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:40 am Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

I posted a list of 'M-numbers' earlier in this thread. I got it from the old list somewhile back (a year or so ago?) Does anyone remember who posted it to the list? Was it you Neil?

The reason I ask is a couple folks have asked if they can take it to other lists. I don't want to claim ownership just because I thought to save it as a text file. So if someone else remembers who posted it I would appreciate their coming forward so the proper compiler can get credit

DCCLarke · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 62

Bob, please check your private messages on the board.

Best,
David

bsmart · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:40 am Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

Oh, don't tell the A.F., but I saw a few Mohawks with rockets mounted in "I" Corps, Vietnam at Phu Bai....probably deniably, but they was there. Wink

Those were just 'spotting rockets' right Smile

to be used to mark the target so the real shooters could attack it I'm sure Smile

The F-7 is NOT the F107, is it....that Super Sabre with the intake mounted dorsally over the cockpit (which was ugly as sin, but reportedly a good airplane...but lost out to two engines in the F-4)?[/quote]

Actually the F-107 lost out to the F-105. Nope, I don't know of any USAF aircraft except the Phantom that were renumbered.

bsmart · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

"And one could point out that neither McDonnell nor Douglas are still around"

Lets see Vought isn't around, neither is Convair (well I guess as you put it 'buried in the bowels of Lockheed Martin' :-)) Lockheed & Martin have merged (and neither produce airplanes in the location they originally did) Republic is gone, North American disapeared in the bowels of somebody, Northrup & Grumman have merged but are hardly 'aircraft companies' anymore.

Jinx · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- bsmart

- Jinx

- bsmart

The Air Force got the F-5 for the fighter version of the T-38

Was this before or after the U.S. Navy used the designation F5D-1 for their prototype fighter (also known as the Skylancer)?

The F5D had lost out to the F8U before the 'merger' of designations.

Thank you very much for that.

I could say something about the merits of retiring numbers after they are used (hey, it works in baseball!).....but i doubt it would do any good.

(And i guess that would have led to such designations as the M-14907 Abrams and the B-1661 Lancer.....)

- bsmart

This was one of those 'political decisions'. The F5D Skylancer. was a good fighter and seemed to have as much potential as the F8U Crusader. But Douglas at the time was building the F4D, AD, A3D, A4D, B-66 as well as a thriving Commercial business. Vought had no other business and there was some thought that it got the award to keep business spread around. Several years later the F8U-3 lost out to the F4H-1 and there were claims that with the successful F8U line still chugging along it was time to throw some Buisness in the direction of the struggling McDonnell company

And one could point out that neither McDonnell nor Douglas are still around (except for the bits that are buried in the bowels of Boeing, i mean).

And it looks like the practice of throwing the business around is still being followed, don't you think?

Of course, there aren't nearly so many aircraft manufacturers in the U.S., anymore.....so it makes sense to keep the survivors alive. However they have to do it.

Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- bsmart

- Doug_Kibbey

- Doug_Kibbey

...and the A.F. F110 name for a Phantom was the "Spectre", but Ernst Blofeld put a stop to that with a blackmail scheme involving a satellite equipped with what he called a "Laser"....

...Hey!...where's my extra credit for the F110 bonus question?!

My apologies I didn't see the F110 part of yoiur response when I was scanning the list before leaving work (did you add it to the C-7/C-8 answer later ?)

You get credit for the correct answer for the name Spectre. Also bonus points for the clarification of the Caribou/Buffalo

I'm still looking for the F-6, F-7 and F-10 (The F-7 is a very interesting story)

Yep, about 1 minute later...you were probably already typing while I debated editing, or posting anew (I thought you were busy on the other thread...).

Oh, don't tell the A.F., but I saw a few Mohawks with rockets mounted in "I" Corps, Vietnam at Phu Bai....probably deniably, but they was there. Wink

The F-7 is NOT the F107, is it....that Super Sabre with the intake mounted dorsally over the cockpit (which was ugly as sin, but reportedly a good airplane...but lost out to two engines in the F-4)?

bsmart · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- Doug_Kibbey

- Doug_Kibbey

...and the A.F. F110 name for a Phantom was the "Spectre", but Ernst Blofeld put a stop to that with a blackmail scheme involving a satellite equipped with what he called a "Laser"....

...Hey!...where's my extra credit for the F110 bonus question?!

My apologies I didn't see the F110 part of your response when I was scanning the list before leaving work (did you add it to the C-7/C-8 answer later ?)

You get credit for the correct answer for the name Spectre. Also bonus points for the clarification of the Caribou/Buffalo

I'm still looking for the F-6, F-7 and F-10 (The F-7 is a very interesting story)

Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- Doug_Kibbey

...and the A.F. F110 name for a Phantom was the "Spectre", but Ernst Blofeld put a stop to that with a blackmail scheme involving a satellite equipped with what he called a "Laser"....

...Hey!...where's my extra credit for the F110 bonus question?!

bsmart · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- JeffStringer

All this for that little question! lol

And when as the small scale of a question ever limited the amount we can stretch the thread Smile

Actually I just found a mistake in my list of Fighters!

The F-7 was not the F7U Cutlass.

Quiz Bonus 2 - What plane became the F-7?

JeffStringer · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 637

All this for that little question! Laughing

bsmart · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- Jinx

- bsmart

The Air Force got the F-5 for the fighter version of the T-38

Was this before or after the U.S. Navy used the designation F5D-1 for their prototype fighter (also known as the Skylancer)?

The F5D had lost out to the F8U before the 'merger' of designations.

This was one of those 'poliitical decisions'. The F5D Skylancer. was a good fighter and seemed to have as much potential as the F8U Crusader. But Douglas at the time was building the F4D, AD, A3D, A4D, B-66 as well as a thriving Commercial business. Vought had no other business and there was some thought that it got the award to keep business spread around. Several years later the F8U-3 lost out to the F4H-1 and there were claims that with the successful F8U line still chugging along it was time to throw some Buisness in the direction of the struggling McDonnell company

Jinx · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- bsmart

The Air Force got the F-5 for the fighter version of the T-38

Was this before or after the U.S. Navy used the designation F5D-1 for their prototype fighter (also known as the Skylancer)?

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