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I think the turret rings were the same (85"?) the Pershing retained the 69" from the Sherman The M47 went up to 74 or so and the M48 went up again. I think the M60 was the same as the M48(Hence the plans to reuse M60 turrets on M48 chassis when the turrets were replaced by Starship turrets) But I'll have to check at home

Doug_Kibbey

- CaptCav

Funny you should bring that up. I was wondering if the M-60 and M-48 series had the same diameter turret ring?

Well, here's a pic from 3rd AD (I think) Europe for comparison (not one of my own, but illustrates the relationship on the M60 hull). Better fit...

CaptCav · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Aug 20, 2007 Posts: 12

Funny you should bring that up. I was wondering if the M-60 and M-48 series had the same diameter turret ring?

Doug_Kibbey · Last edited by Doug_Kibbey on Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:37 pm; edited 1 time in total

Maybe it's just me, but the turret seems to overhang the turret ring more on the 48 hull more than it does on the 60 hull, looks "sloppy". I'm not at home to check the ring diameters, but I'd guess they are different?

Really noticeable in these views:

CaptCav · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Aug 20, 2007 Posts: 12

It appears to be an M-48A1 hull - looks like it has the triangular-shaped driver's hatch.

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Doug_Kibbey

- Dontos

Apoligies to the 'OLD -Timers'

I prefer the term "curmudgeon", myself. Evil or Very Mad

Dontos

- CaptCav

"The tensioner pully is the key".

We OLD M-48 tankers know that "pully" would be the track tension idler.

Idler didn't seem right, so made up the pully name.

Comp Idler on 'modern' tanks tends to be in the front and is more easily mistaken as 1st set of roadwheels. Apoligies to the 'OLD -Timers' Mr. Green

CaptCav · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Aug 20, 2007 Posts: 12

"The tensioner pully is the key".

We OLD M-48 tankers know that "pully" would be the track tension idler.

Wink

Dontos

- Alf_Adams

Here is a photo of a similar vehicle that I took in a storage compound of the Patton Museum in 1999. Unfortunately I only took one shot of it, so I have no more details. I asked the staff about it, and was told that it was just a case of the museum having an extra M60A2 turret, with nowhere to put it, and an M48 hull with no turret, so they put them together. Perhaps someone with contacts at the Patton Museum can tell us if this vehicle is still there.

I believe that is a shot of the M60A2/M48 combo that is now at Zussman Range (MOUT site). the tensioner 'pully' is the key.

I have not seen any such combo hulls (besides Zussman Rg tank) with that pulley present.

Great photo, Thanks
Don

JimWeb

- Doug_Kibbey

*I go to Taiwan from time-to-time and have been from the North end to the Southern tip. There's a chance I could get a pic if we knew where one of these things was and it's not too sensitive a military area...and the Taiwanese can be pretty sensitive about their military areas. I'd sure give it a shot and I'm not without contacts.

I'm currently interrogating two ROC army guys by email - they can be a tight-lipped but not above dropping hints like 'examine rear of CM11'

Anyone any good at searching the archives on here? A couple of years ago mention was made of a company in Belgium being given a conract to manufacture 152mm rounds for Taiwan. I mislaid my reference article...

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JimWeb

Just been looking at some images of the Taiwanese CM11 - detail & angle is not good but judging by the way the towing eye is sticking out some of them appear to have A2 hulls...

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tanker2010

- Neil_Baumgardner

A4 was assigned to M48s that were to receive M60A1 turrets when it was assumed that there were to be lots of surplus A1 turrets due to the A2 program... It fell through when a lot less M60s were converted to A2s than originally planned... Hunnicutt's Patton 234-237.

Neil

Hate to be a stickler for details, but that was M60 turrets, not M60A1 turrets.

Alf_Adams

Here is a photo of a similar vehicle that I took in a storage compound of the Patton Museum in 1999. Unfortunately I only took one shot of it, so I have no more details. I asked the staff about it, and was told that it was just a case of the museum having an extra M60A2 turret, with nowhere to put it, and an M48 hull with no turret, so they put them together. Perhaps someone with contacts at the Patton Museum can tell us if this vehicle is still there.

Doug_Kibbey

- Neil_Baumgardner

A4 was assigned to M48s that were to receive M60A1 turrets when it was assumed that there were to be lots of surplus A1 turrets due to the A2 program... It fell through when a lot less M60s were converted to A2s than originally planned... Hunnicutt's Patton 234-237.

Neil

Which was probably a good move. BTW, to the best of my knowledge, though I lack documentation, my "insider information" of the time was that the reported 500+ completed M60A2's at the time of the Initial Production Test were all the ones ever built. That is to say, we were testing a "done deal", not an initial production lot, but the first few vehicles of what represented a complete package ready, parked and awaiting delivery. Whatever that tells you.

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