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LTL-H (aka Pz 39). The state of the register
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Hi Jiri

I don't have any further information about the dummy gun. All what I know is from Massimo.

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Dear zemsi,
ever received the imitation weapons? Not serve to the end of his career to training?

Sincerely JRT
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... what a beautiful sight

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... and some more

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... and here are the pics from M+78587, also freshly painted

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... and here some more. She's standing next to M+78587

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... here are some pics of the freshly painted (schattenschwarz) M+7561 from Burgdorf

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Thun. Army base. R/N 78587
Used as monument inside the base, the R/N indeed looks weird, and it could easily be a mistake


I've got an official army list from 1960. The M+ numbers for 23 (?) Panzerwagen 39 "Praga" were M+78900 - 78922. It looks by then that 1 Praga was already put ouf of service (reason unknown).

M+78587 is a registration number for a Centurion Mk3.

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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 7:55 am
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What do u mean by "Not accessible"? Last year there were over 4000 visitors. You just have to join a group visit. Very easy to do that. Will be there next week and try to take some pics...


It's not like a museum open to the general public.


www.armeemuseum.ch/ind...=6&L=1
Visits to the HSAM Foundation collections in Thun, Burgdorf and Bern are possible in guided groups and by appointment


Places like Wildegg or Schaffausen open just a few days a year, but at least they have a clear schedule, I can read the schedule on their website, be there on the date/time that fits my needs and visit.

As for being "very easy", I asked twice by email in the past, to the address listed on the page above. I wrote in English and never got an answer.

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What do u mean by "Not accessible"? Last year there were over 4000 visitors. You just have to join a group visit. Very easy to do that. Will be there next week and try to take some pics...

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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:57 am
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I like the idea that Burgdorf will display the real tank beside its "Panzerattrappe" training version.


Unfortunately the collection in Burgdorf isn't accessible and I wonder for how long it will stay that way Crying or Very sad

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great news. I like the idea that Burgdorf will display the real tank beside its "Panzerattrappe" training version.

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Hi Massimo

Vugelles: Great news, now we only have to find period pics which show this dummy tank in action.

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I was at Thun for the annual assembly of Armeemusem Association. And I collected some interesting info:

- The tank near Thun's sport field is now in Burgdorf:
preservedtanks.com/Pro...queID=1211

- The tank in Vugelles is a unique, special vehicle, it's a "Panzerattrappe", a training version, the gun is a dummy, but it was like that whenever it was in service, it wasn't added just for display purposes. The rails around the turret is another special feature of this unique vehicle:
preservedtanks.com/Pro...queID=1253
This tank is now in Burgdorf too.

Ideally at least one of these will be restored to running conditions.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:42 pm
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- Massimo_Foti

Thanks to Martin Haudenschild I learned there are 3 more tanks I've never heard of before. All of them belong to the Swiss Army and are located inside military areas. None of them is in running order:

- Bure. Two tanks

- Vegelles. R/N 7561



... just to keep this thread up to date, the 3 missing tanks have been updated on Trevors site:
- Vugelles La Mothe
- [url=preservedtanks.com/Profile.aspx?UniqueID=1258]Bure Praga 1[/url]
- [url=preservedtanks.com/Profile.aspx?UniqueID=1259]Bure Praga 2[/url]

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