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The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
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Here are a few more interesting images



This FT17 is at an APG range in the 1930's. Its SN was 2267. I assume it is gone...


Interesting story board, not sure where this was displayed or if it may still exist...


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Here is an old shot of the T-3 Christie that is at APG



And then there is this 'Thing'....



The nomenclature of this escapes me, perhaps Italian?


A little bit more modern, this M48 has a quite unusual turret stored fuel drum !? I wouldn't want to be on this tank....


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The nomenclature of this escapes me, perhaps Italian?


Renault UE Chenillette
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...henillette

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Massimo

Thank you for the correction.

I guess that makes sense, the photo was in a folder with a 'mixed bag' of armored vehicles some being Renault.

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Uh Don are you sure that is an M48? The gun looks like a 105 and the cupola looks like one from an M60. I'm also wondering if the drum is something else. Some kind of cooling unit for 1st generation electronics that were being tested?(not enough space inside an M60a0 turret?) At first I was wondering if it was some kind of flamethrower fuel or a minigun type ammo drum

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Could be,...I am lacking in my M48 to M60 stuff.

I only know about 'modern tanks',.....ha ha ha

Besides I consider 'Joe D' is my reference guide for such knowledge.

I await his observations, and 'report'

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Thank you for the correction.


Glad to be of help. I love those pics from the archive, keep them coming please

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What is the caption on the M24 variant (SN, RN)?

Perhaps the M60's bustle cargo is a stored wading trunk?

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Here are a few more interesting images




Its the T24E1 Pilot.

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And then there is this 'Thing'....



English Track White Staff Observation Car c1918

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What is the caption on the M24 variant (SN, RN)?

Perhaps the M60's bustle cargo is a stored wading trunk?

KL


Kurt

There is only that single image & it is cut off. It is the T24E1 but don't have any other info.

BTW: Here is another M24 test vehicle



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And then there is this 'Thing'....

English Track White Staff Observation Car c1918


Good god, what a dog's breakfast!
" Lieutenant Colonel Philips Johnson created in 1919 the ‘Roadless Traction Limited’. He made many Track Conversions on Ford tractors but, about 1920, studied and built in his Department of Tank Design and experiment the White Staff Observation Car (picture) with tracks and perplexing cable suspension for the U.S. Army. This company lasted till 1983."

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Kurt said:
Perhaps the M60's bustle cargo is a stored wading trunk?



That's what it is. If you look at the odd shape on the end facing you, it corresponds with the loaders hatch opening. This kit sealed the cupola with a waterproof cover and the TC commanded the tank from the "Conning Tower" which was attached to the loaders hatch. Pretty sure this tank is at Knox when the picture was taken. You wouldn't happen to have a larger version I could have, since it's pretty rare to see images of that side of the kit. Surprised Doug hasn't chimed in, since he has much experience with this set up on M60A1's.


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Kurt said:
Perhaps the M60's bustle cargo is a stored wading trunk?



That's what it is. If you look at the odd shape on the end facing you, it corresponds with the loaders hatch opening. This kit sealed the cupola with a waterproof cover and the TC commanded the tank from the "Conning Tower" which was attached to the loaders hatch. Pretty sure this tank is at Knox when the picture was taken. You wouldn't happen to have a larger version I could have, since it's pretty rare to see images of that side of the kit. Surprised Doug hasn't chimed in, since he has much experience with this set up on M60A1's.


Joe


I agree with Joe, it's a deep water fording kit. Notice how you can see the end that mates with the hatch opening. Also, the sections of the tube look like every one kit of this type I've ever seen. Would like a larger version as well, but not because there is any doubt about what it is.

Curiously, this vehicle does not the the "test operation" markings typical of test project activities for this period. I wonder if this was "on duty" as those kits were issued in limited numbers. Perhaps this is an Armor School vehicle...do we have any views where we can see bumper numbers?

...and those stars are just as big as the ones in my AIT class. Wink


BTW, I just love that flip up landau top for the "Thing". Can't have those senior officers getting all misted on. What they planned to do about mud I have no idea...
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- Dontos
Here are a few more interesting images

Interesting story board, not sure where this was displayed or if it may still exist...


More to follow
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This stirs a memory. I thought it did still exist somewhere, but I'm probably mixing it up with the one at Fort Meade ('Five of Hearts').

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