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Dontos · Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:14 am Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

Trevor

I have a shot of the M24 mounted on the built up platform at Chaffee Main Gate (Bullion Blvd) that was taken soon after the gate reopened. Just can't seem to find it. When I get something I'll post it.

I've gone thru 5 hard drives (computers) since 2003, all of which I still have onhand. Just gotta access them and find the 'missing' photos.

Regards
Don

TrevorLarkum · Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

- Dontos

Unique ID 1306: Fort Knox (Officers Club, Chaffee Avenue) M24

This M24 may be the one located at the 'Chaffee Gate' (on Bullion Blvd)

- Joe_D

There was an M24 at the Brick Mess around the late 90's. It's the place we sometimes called the "Leaders Club" when I was there. It's real close to the CG's HQ building and behind the old theater there.

Here's where I saw her last in 1998.
Grid: 37.894838,-85.953678

Thanks - that clears up part of it, if the "Brick Mess" and "Leaders Club" are the same place. Also, the grid you give is exactly the spot I have for the M24 in front of the building that I refer to as the "Officers Club". So we are definitely all talking about the same M24.

[Oddly, when I look at it in Google Maps it clearly shows a label 'Leaders Club'. However, as I zoom in and out there is just one zoom level where another label appears to the left saying 'Officers Club' - blink and you miss it - can anyone else see it? Spooky!]

So that just leaves the question of whether it's the same M24 now on Bullion Boulevard. Don's suggestion is persuasive, since that one appeared soon after the other the other one disappeared not far away. I have therefore rewritten the text in a way that I think is most appropriate - please comment if you disagree:

Unique ID 1306: Fort Knox Chaffee Gate (ex Leaders Club) M24

If anyone has any photo's of this vehicle since 1983 I'd love to add them.

Meanwhile..

- Dontos

Here is a fairly recent shot of the M41A3 that was in the LST building and is now in RMP

Don - thanks, added:

Unique ID 1299: Fort Knox M41A3

I've also added your picture of the QM41, thanks:

Unique ID 1303: Fort Knox QM41

Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:29 am Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

- Dontos

- JWB2

What a beautiful old structure. Now that Knox is almost abandoned what will come of it?

Although the Armor Center is leaving, the post is far from abandoned.

Actually (I think) the assigned population has increased.

I do know oppost traffic has increased.

Doug
Olive Theater is still there and a functional movie theater. I believe Wayburn is a briefing hall of some sort. No longer a functional movie theater.

Regards
Don

What surprised me was "Kelly Shooting Range" (presumably handguns or rimfires). That structure was a bowling alley "back in the day", just across the road and a field from what was then the NCO academy.

Dontos · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

- JWB2

What a beautiful old structure. Now that Knox is almost abandoned what will come of it?

Although the Armor Center is leaving, the post is far from abandoned.

Actually (I think) the assigned population has increased.

I do know oppost traffic has increased.

Doug
Olive Theater is still there and a functional movie theater. I believe Wayburn is a briefing hall of some sort. No longer a functional movie theater.

Regards
Don

JWB2 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 25, 2006 Posts: 199

What a beautiful old structure. Now that Knox is almost abandoned what will come of it?

Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:50 am Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

- Joe_D

There was an M24 at the Brick Mess around the late 90's. It's the place we sometimes called the "Leaders Club" when I was there. It's real close to the CG's HQ building and behind the old theater there.

Here's where I saw her last in 1998.
Grid: 37.894838,-85.953678

I recall three theaters from back-in-the-day...Olive (still operating in 2006, in "Disneyland" area), Waybur (still present in '06, but not operating as such, on Brooks Field across from the M4 and flag area) and a really old, decrepit one that I don't recall the name or location of, and I think it was wood...can't imagine it still exists today. I think I saw Dennis Hopper's 'The Last Movie" in that one, and it might have been just that.

I'm guessing you're talking about the area behind Waybur Theatre.

Dontos · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:06 am Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

Ah, okay

There is nothing in the area of the 'Leaders Club'. If an M24 was there, it may be the one used at the Chaffee Gate (Bullion Blvd) when it was rebuilt/upgraded between late 01 - 04.

Regards
Don

Joe_D · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:18 am Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

There was an M24 at the Brick Mess around the late 90's. It's the place we sometimes called the "Leaders Club" when I was there. It's real close to the CG's HQ building and behind the old theater there.

Here's where I saw her last in 1998.
Grid: 37.894838,-85.953678

Dontos · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:41 am Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

Unfortunately the location of the M24 near the gate prevents decent photos of it. The gate guards get real paranoid as with the M1 & the M2 that are closer to the entry gate.

However I'll see if I can get something to include SN data off the vehicle thru 'semi-official' channels.

As for the 'Brick Mess' I don't know what that is, or how old that sighting was.

Regards
Don

TrevorLarkum · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

- Dontos

Nice stuff Trevor. Here are a few notes to update your latest entries.

- TrevorLarkum

More additions (I'm currently working through the light tanks):

Unique ID 1299: Fort Knox (Museum) M41A3

- it came from Letterkenny so I've started a Letterkenny entry:

Letterkenny Army Depot

The M41A3 was stored for a number of years in the LST building. It has since been relocated to Richardson Motor Pool, where it is currently located awaiting transportation to Ft Benning, Ga

Unique ID 1302: Fort Knox (Keyes Park) M41

This M41 is currently located in RMP.

Unique ID 1303: Fort Knox (Warehouse) QM41 Target Puller

QM41 is in RMP

Unique ID 1304: Fort Knox (Keyes Park) M24

This M24 is now in RMP

Unique ID 1305: Fort Knox (Warehouse, previously Museum) M24

- this one ('The Phoenix') appears to have been a French veteran of Algeria, so I've pieced together a likely location history, as can be seen on its map, and added some background links.

This M24 is on display in the museum

Regards
Don

All done - thanks for the updates.

- Dontos

Unique ID 1307: Fort Knox (Boudinot Hall, Old Ironsides Ave) M24

This M24 is currently located at Ft Benning Ga. It was transported in one of the convoys several months ago.

I have begun the process of creating an entry for the new museum and moving vehicles across to it. I have started with this M24:

National Armor and Cavalry Museum, Fort Benning

I appreciate I have a lot of catching up to do, with many vehicles already moved, so I will work on the other vehicles whenever I get the opportunity.

- Neil_Baumgardner

- TrevorLarkum

Unique ID 1305: Fort Knox (Warehouse, previously Museum) M24

- this one ('The Phoenix') appears to have been a French veteran of Algeria, so I've pieced together a likely location history, as can be seen on its map, and added some background links.

According to my info this is SN 2762, RN30121290, and has been repainted as "Rebel's Roost."

Neil

SN and new name added, thanks.

- Dontos

Guys

Yes, there are one and the same. Here is my more recent photo of 'Phoenix / Rebels Roost'.

Regards
Don

Photo added, thanks:

Unique ID 1305: Patton Museum M24

- Dontos

Unique ID 1306: Fort Knox (Officers Club, Chaffee Avenue) M24

This M24 may be the one located at the 'Chaffee Gate' (on Bullion Blvd)

Is there any way to confirm this? I can see in Google Maps that the one outside the Officers Club has gone. However, Neil's USA Register (June 2008 edition) lists M24s at 'Brick Mess (Building 1118)' and 'Bullion Gate', so maybe there was one at Bullion Gate already? Do you have any photo's of the one at Bullion Gate so I could try identifying/matching them?

Dontos · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

Here are a couple I took a week or so ago.

Regards
Don

Dontos · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

Trevor

The T43 is pilot #1 ( 1 of 1, I believe...)

I have no other info on it. It has been here as long as I have been a volunteer ( 2001 ).

It looks so much like the M103 that I originally thought it was just another M103 worthy of being a range target. It does have a ladder welded on the right side of the turret.

I do have a few more recent photos, that I'll see about posting in my photobucket.

Regards
Don

TrevorLarkum · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

- Dontos

Trevor
What I can do, is do a reshoot of all the Heavy tanks on the same day. Currently the T29 & T30 are statically located infront of Marshall Hall. The T29E3, T34, T43, and M103A2 are located in RMP.

Regards
Don

Don,

The T43 is new to me - I didn't see it in 1983 - so I've added it as a new entry:

Unique ID 1312: Fort Knox T43

- please let me know if you have any other information about it (e.g. when it arrived or where from).

TrevorLarkum · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:06 am Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

- TrevorLarkum

Thanks guys! I'm on holiday from tomorrow for a week, but I'll catch it all up once I'm back.

I'm back, I'll catch up asap. While up north I tracked down and photographed the Comet on the beach at Saltfleetby, and the Chieftain outside the Manby Motorplex. Unfortunately I didn't get to see the Chieftain 900 at the Yorkshire Air Museum, so if anyone has photo's of it please get in touch.

Dontos · Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:37 am Post subject: Re: News from Ft Knox

- Neil_Baumgardner

Don,
On a slightly different topic, what is happening / will happen to all the former range targets at Fort Knox?

I'm curious since every so often something recovered from "behind the fence" appears on the main post at APG...

The Knox range targets include (at least):
4 M1 Abrams
1 M2 Bradley
1 M2A1 Bradley
4 M47 Pattons
5 M48s with M60A2 turrets
1 M59
1 M60A1
1 M60A3
1 M103A2
1 M113
1 M577

Plus several ex Patton Museum German vehicles that probably dont survive - although it would be cool if they did:
PzB Bergepanther
Sd.Kfz. 251/9
StuG III

Neil

PURE URBAN LEGEND !!! Wink

But, whatever pops up after Sept 2010,.....is fair game... Mr. Green

To answer the question,.....I have no clue as these are 'owned' by Range Control. Not a part of the Armor School but an installation function that will continue after all the Active duty tanks leave. The KY ARNG & Reserves will still train here, so I assume the tank ranges will not be bulldozed over for 'walking paths' for the 'grunts'.

Oh, you forgot two V100's that I have personally climbed in & know there exact whereabouts. As I recall they were fairly omplete and 'dumped' on the side of a tank trail. Unfortunately I don't have any photos,....sorry. There was also at least 6 stripped-down mortar tracks in the same vicinity

Regards
Don

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