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Dontos · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 Photos

- Roy_A_Lingle

- Dontos

All this talk of T28 has my interest up. I'm wondering if the detatchable outer track is SN matched to the vehicle that it was produced.

I went nosing around the T28 today and the outer L & R track assemblies match SN's but in the short time I had, I couldn't find anything similiar on the 'inner vehicle'

Hi Dontos! Hi Folks!

DETAILS SIR!

Please sir, what where the serial numbers you found?

Headquarters requires addational intell Scout Dontos.

Roy
I knew this would peek your interest, but you didn't have to insult me...."Scout Dontos"!!!! Shocked

Anyway, I'll over look that remark and get all the numbers today. I didn't have a pen on Saturday, and I was in a hurry.

I'll have camera also, STAY TUNED!! Cool

Dontos · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 Photos

- Roy_A_Lingle

Hi Folks!

September 1945, 1st pilot model completed. Registration number 40226809
December 21, 1945, 1st pilot model shipped to Aberdeen.
Used for engineering tests.
January 10, 1946, 2nd pilot model shipped to Aberdeen. Registration number 40226810.
January 23, 1946 - Picture of T95 number 1 at Aberdeen.
April 11, 1946 - Picture of T95 number 2 at Aberdeen.
Date unknown, 2nd pilot transferred to Fort Knox.
Date unknown, 2nd pilot transferred to Engineer Board at Yuma, Arizona for floating bridge testing.
October 3, 1946 - Picture of a Super Heavy Tank at Aberdeen. Model unknown.
Date and location unknown, 2nd pilot model destroyed by fire during testing.
Project terminated in October 1947.
May 3, 1948 - Super Heavy Tank in the doors of LST 1153, location and model number unknown. Could this be a picture of pilot model number one moving to Fort Belvior?

1st pilot model registration number 40226809
2nd pilot model registration number 40226810.

Question about the outboard track set photografted at Ft. Knox.
Is it possible, they are part of pilot 2, left at Knox when it was shiiped to Yuma?

Are there any numbers on the hull and the outboard track sections?
Something like the M60 tanks which has matching serial numbers on the hull and the engine decks before they were mixed during repairs?
Could there be a SECOND set of tracks someplace in an out of the way storage building?

Wouldn't it be wild it the vehicle at Ft. Knox turn out to be pilot number 2?

Here is an update:

The T28 at Ft Knox is, in fact Pilot #1 SN 40226809. It came here in 1975.

Here are a couple of dates from above with new info:

15 Jan 1946: Pilot #1 arrives APG

20 May 1946: Pilot #2 arrives at Ft Knox to participate in a demonstration. It is then shipped to Yuma Az soon after the demo is complete (no date given).

3 May 1948: Significant photos discovered showing the LST loading, tied down, and off loading of LST # 1153. No markings visible other than "Super Heavy Tank - T28" All the photos are APG photos, but no location or vehicle SN are listed with the photos.

8 March 1951: Photo # A67339 of "Tank, Heavy, T28 - MCV 397" taken at APG. Markings on the vehicle. Right Fender: TEC ERDL; Left Fender: 703. No other marking were visible on the vehicle.

Hows that for a 'non-Scout'? Cool

Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 Photos

Good job, Scout! Laughing

I'm guessing, from my Test Ops days, that TEC-ERDL refers to "Test and Evaluation Command-Experimental Research and Design Laboratory" (or..."Engineer"...I've seen both).
"TEC" was in use in my day, but followed by "EBD".

("ERDL" is also the name often applied to Vietnam issue "Leaf Pattern-Green Dominant" camo jungle fatigues).

Roy_A_Lingle · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: Re: T-28 Photos

- Buq-Buq

It's odd that they didn't just use a heavy-duty towbar.
Mark

Hi Bug-Bug! Hi Folks!

I agree that does seam a bit odd. Surprised

But why mount a trailier hitch on the rear of the hull if your going to used crossed cables to pull the trailier? Shocked

I would guess that maybe they tried a tow bar and for some reason it didn't work

and they found that crossed tow cables worked better.

Just wondering.
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

Neil_Baumgardner · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 Photos

- Dontos

8 March 1951: Photo # A67339 of "Tank, Heavy, T28 - MCV 397" taken at APG. Markings on the vehicle. Right Fender: TEC ERDL; Left Fender: 703. No other marking were visible on the vehicle.

Hows that for a 'non-Scout'?

Very good Don Wink

Can you describe (or post) the last picture - c1951? Are there other tanks visible in the background? Is it sitting in the grass?

Neil

Dontos · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 Photos

I don't have a 'copy' with me at home.

It appears to have been taken in a 'gravel' holding area, with some 'old' dark (brown?) wooden warehouses in the background.

There is a tank partially seen to the right but it is of some distance, 20 feet or so. Could be a 'early Patton' series (M47 style suspension, I believe), but I really didn't look at that too closely.

The outer tracks are not mounted on the T28. It appears to be good paint(ie not weathered), and the stencils on the fenders are large and in white.

I have a 'full plate' today, so can't get back over there. Give me a day of two, and I'll see what I can do.

bsmart · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 Photos

"It appears to have been taken in a 'gravel' holding area, with some 'old' dark (brown?) wooden warehouses in the background."

That sure narrows it down :-), cuts out maybe 1/4 of any Army post in the post WWII era.

They're still tearing some of those 'temporary' buildings down

Roy_A_Lingle · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: T-28 Photos

- Tumbleweed

Is it possible that Pilot #2 burned at Yuma? If so, I wonder if I can go out there and get more info.

Hi Tumble! Hi Folks!

Maybe. The report that the second vehicle was destoryed by fire comes from British and American Tanks of World War II by Peter Chamberlain and Chris Ellis, Page 163.

"the second pilot being subsequently destroyed by fire during the one of its trail runs. All work on the project terminated in October 1947..." Crying or Very sad

The last time the 2nd pilot is report on by name, it was transfered from Ft. Knox to YPG. Shocked

Testing was conducted from Sept. 1945 to Oct. 1947. The vehicle was destoryed during the trail period. All we have is 25 month window for the date and location is anyone's guess.

If you have the time, we all would love to hear if YPG has any informtion about the T-28/T-95.

Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

Neil_Baumgardner · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: Re: T-28 Photos

- Roy_A_Lingle

Hi Folks!

Some time back the subject of 'how do you lose a super heavy tank' came up on the old DG site. I put together this time line with some references for the known facts, dates known and unknown for now.

September 1945, 1st pilot model completed. Registration number 40226809
December 21, 1945, 1st pilot model shipped to Aberdeen.
Used for engineering tests.
January 10, 1946, 2nd pilot model shipped to Aberdeen. Registration number 40226810.
January 23, 1946 - Picture of T95 number 1 at Aberdeen.
April 11, 1946 - Picture of T95 number 2 at Aberdeen.
Date unknown, 2nd pilot transferred to Fort Knox.
Date unknown, 2nd pilot transferred to Engineer Board at Yuma, Arizona for floating bridge testing.
October 3, 1946 - Picture of a Super Heavy Tank at Aberdeen. Model unknown.
Date and location unknown, 2nd pilot model destroyed by fire during testing.
Project terminated in October 1947.
May 3, 1948 - Super Heavy Tank in the doors of LST 1153, location and model number unknown. Could this be a picture of pilot model number one moving to Fort Belvior?

I may have found another link in the chain of events for the T28, dated 8 March 1951.

Note the marking "TEC ERDL." ERDL standing for Engineer Research Development Laboratory, which was located at Fort Belvoir - where the T28 was later found in the woods in 1975... Not sure what TEC is, but probably Test & Engineering Command or somesuch... I dont suppose there is any way to identify which T28 this is...

Neil

JG300-Ascout · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:35 am Post subject: Re: T-28 Photos

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