±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 625
Total: 625
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Community Forums
03: Contact
04: Search
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Photo Gallery
10: News Archive
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Home
17: Community Forums
18: Photo Gallery
19: Member Screenshots
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Home
23: Community Forums
24: Photo Gallery
25: Community Forums
26: Photo Gallery
27: Community Forums
28: Member Screenshots
29: Home
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Downloads
34: Community Forums
35: Photo Gallery
36: Community Forums
37: Downloads
38: Downloads
39: Community Forums
40: Downloads
41: Community Forums
42: Home
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Home
46: Community Forums
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Home
50: Community Forums
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: News
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Member Screenshots
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Photo Gallery
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Downloads
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Photo Gallery
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Statistics
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: News Archive
87: Community Forums
88: Home
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Photo Gallery
96: Photo Gallery
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Photo Gallery
102: Community Forums
103: Home
104: Member Screenshots
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: News
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Member Screenshots
113: News Archive
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Home
123: Community Forums
124: Photo Gallery
125: Home
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Photo Gallery
129: Home
130: Community Forums
131: Photo Gallery
132: Home
133: Home
134: Community Forums
135: Home
136: News
137: Community Forums
138: Member Screenshots
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Home
146: Downloads
147: Member Screenshots
148: Community Forums
149: Your Account
150: Home
151: Home
152: Home
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Home
156: Downloads
157: Community Forums
158: Member Screenshots
159: News Archive
160: Community Forums
161: Statistics
162: Home
163: Downloads
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Photo Gallery
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Home
171: Member Screenshots
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Statistics
175: Community Forums
176: Downloads
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Home
182: Community Forums
183: Downloads
184: Home
185: Home
186: Photo Gallery
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: News Archive
190: Member Screenshots
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Home
194: Community Forums
195: Photo Gallery
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Home
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Home
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Photo Gallery
209: Downloads
210: Community Forums
211: Downloads
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Member Screenshots
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Home
220: Home
221: Photo Gallery
222: Community Forums
223: Photo Gallery
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Home
230: Your Account
231: Home
232: News Archive
233: Home
234: Community Forums
235: Member Screenshots
236: Home
237: Downloads
238: Photo Gallery
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Photo Gallery
246: Community Forums
247: Home
248: Photo Gallery
249: Home
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Downloads
253: Community Forums
254: Photo Gallery
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Downloads
258: News Archive
259: Home
260: Community Forums
261: Home
262: Downloads
263: Photo Gallery
264: Statistics
265: Community Forums
266: Downloads
267: Community Forums
268: Downloads
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Home
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Photo Gallery
279: Community Forums
280: Downloads
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Community Forums
284: Home
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Photo Gallery
289: Community Forums
290: Member Screenshots
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Home
294: Photo Gallery
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Home
299: News Archive
300: Contact
301: Downloads
302: Community Forums
303: Statistics
304: Home
305: Home
306: Downloads
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Home
312: Member Screenshots
313: News
314: Photo Gallery
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Home
319: Community Forums
320: Home
321: Member Screenshots
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: News
326: Community Forums
327: News
328: Community Forums
329: Home
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Downloads
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Photo Gallery
352: Community Forums
353: Home
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: News Archive
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Downloads
364: News Archive
365: Home
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Your Account
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Member Screenshots
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Downloads
390: Member Screenshots
391: Downloads
392: Home
393: Photo Gallery
394: Home
395: Community Forums
396: Home
397: Member Screenshots
398: Member Screenshots
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: News Archive
421: Community Forums
422: Home
423: Photo Gallery
424: Home
425: Member Screenshots
426: Community Forums
427: Photo Gallery
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Home
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Member Screenshots
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: News
439: Community Forums
440: Downloads
441: Statistics
442: Community Forums
443: Statistics
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Home
449: Photo Gallery
450: Home
451: Community Forums
452: Home
453: Statistics
454: Member Screenshots
455: Home
456: Community Forums
457: News Archive
458: Community Forums
459: Home
460: Home
461: Downloads
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: News Archive
467: Downloads
468: Home
469: Community Forums
470: Downloads
471: Downloads
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Member Screenshots
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: News Archive
486: Community Forums
487: Home
488: Downloads
489: Member Screenshots
490: Downloads
491: Photo Gallery
492: Community Forums
493: Downloads
494: Community Forums
495: Downloads
496: Downloads
497: Home
498: Home
499: Member Screenshots
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Home
503: Community Forums
504: Home
505: Photo Gallery
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: News Archive
509: Member Screenshots
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Home
513: Community Forums
514: Member Screenshots
515: Member Screenshots
516: Community Forums
517: Downloads
518: Photo Gallery
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Downloads
523: Community Forums
524: Member Screenshots
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Home
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Photo Gallery
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: News Archive
543: Community Forums
544: Member Screenshots
545: Community Forums
546: Home
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Home
553: Home
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Community Forums
559: Home
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Photo Gallery
566: Downloads
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Member Screenshots
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Downloads
575: Member Screenshots
576: Photo Gallery
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Photo Gallery
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: News
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Home
591: Community Forums
592: Downloads
593: Community Forums
594: Photo Gallery
595: Community Forums
596: Downloads
597: Downloads
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Home
601: Photo Gallery
602: Home
603: Home
604: Community Forums
605: Member Screenshots
606: Community Forums
607: Photo Gallery
608: Community Forums
609: Home
610: Member Screenshots
611: Home
612: Downloads
613: Member Screenshots
614: Community Forums
615: Photo Gallery
616: Photo Gallery
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Community Forums
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Sd Kfz 223 confusion
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:46 pm
Post subject: Sd Kfz 223 confusion

I'm confused. (Like thats a news flash to those who know me...)

I've been glancing thru images & documents on the German Armored Car series of the 221, 222, & 223.






I have found a point of confusion on what is in the collection here. Although this is perhaps easily explained, I was wondering if anyone might have an idea.

Everything points to the Sd Kfz 223 being the basic same vehicle as the Sd Kfz 221 & 222, Why does 'our' vehicle only have a single vision port? I can't find anything showing a 222 or 223 having this same trait.



Is this due to differences in the location of construction (ie different companys)?

Or,....is this possibily a different variant? Shocked

In a state of confusion Mr. Green
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Sd Kfz 223 confusion

Because it is an early SdKfz 260?

_________________
armorfortheages.com/


Last edited by Garry_Redmon on Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:53 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Sd Kfz 223 confusion

It's appears to be a production variant. Nuts & Bolts Vol. 4 Sd.Kfz 222 & 223 mention it as being a very late production feature. Panzerspahwagen mentions it as well but doesn't provide any production dates or photos.

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Sd Kfz 223 confusion

- Garry_Redmon
Because it is a SdKfz 260?


I'm glad someone else is thinking the same way I am.....

Could this be the Sd Kfz 260 ?

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Sd Kfz 223 confusion

- toadmanstankpictures
It's appears to be a production variant. Nuts & Bolts Vol. 4 Sd.Kfz 222 & 223 mention it as being a very late production feature. Panzerspahwagen mentions it as well but doesn't provide any production dates or photos.


Thanks Chris, I'll have to dig those up.

With the conflict of identifying features, my main interest is some sort of definitive, 'source written' vehicle descriptive, or at least some period photos of similiar featured vehicles.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Sd Kfz 223 confusion

- Dontos
- Garry_Redmon
Because it is a SdKfz 260?


I'm glad someone else is thinking the same way I am.....

Could this be the Sd Kfz 260 ?

Don

I don't believe so. The pics in the Nuts & Bolts book show the rollers for the turret. The SdKfz 260 didn't use a turret. Instead, it used a wire screen over the opening. Also, the 260/261 weren't produced with a mounted machine gun which means there would be no need for the special mg ammo racks that are inside the 223.

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Sd Kfz 223 confusion

I'm not sure. There doesn't seem to be any remnants of attachment points for the metal cage on top so perhaps this is a late version of the 223 as toadman has pointed out.

_________________
armorfortheages.com/


Last edited by Garry_Redmon on Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:34 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Sd Kfz 223 confusion

- toadmanstankpictures

I don't believe so. The pics in the Nuts & Bolts book show the rollers for the turret.


I took these a week ago....



The SdKfz 260 didn't use a turret. Instead, it used a wire screen over the opening.


The turret ring is definitely open, with no sign of a previously mounted wire screen.

Also, the 260/261 weren't produced with a mounted machine gun which means there would be no need for the special mg ammo racks that are inside the 223.


A good point. I just started looking at the 260/261 and hadn't gotten to that fact.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum