±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 210
Total: 210
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Your Account
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Photo Gallery
08: Community Forums
09: Your Account
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Home
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Photo Gallery
24: Downloads
25: Home
26: Home
27: Photo Gallery
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Home
31: Home
32: Home
33: Community Forums
34: CPGlang
35: Community Forums
36: Your Account
37: Community Forums
38: Your Account
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: CPGlang
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Photo Gallery
47: Community Forums
48: Home
49: Community Forums
50: Photo Gallery
51: Home
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: CPGlang
56: Community Forums
57: Your Account
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: CPGlang
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Photo Gallery
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Photo Gallery
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Home
82: Community Forums
83: Home
84: Home
85: Your Account
86: Home
87: Home
88: Your Account
89: Member Screenshots
90: Community Forums
91: Your Account
92: Home
93: Photo Gallery
94: Downloads
95: Community Forums
96: Downloads
97: Member Screenshots
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Member Screenshots
104: Photo Gallery
105: Home
106: Community Forums
107: Photo Gallery
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Home
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Home
116: Home
117: Community Forums
118: Home
119: Home
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Photo Gallery
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Member Screenshots
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: CPGlang
130: Community Forums
131: CPGlang
132: Home
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Home
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Your Account
139: Community Forums
140: Home
141: CPGlang
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Downloads
145: Community Forums
146: Downloads
147: Community Forums
148: Home
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Home
153: Home
154: Community Forums
155: Member Screenshots
156: News Archive
157: CPGlang
158: Member Screenshots
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Home
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Downloads
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Photo Gallery
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Home
177: Home
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Home
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Home
184: Photo Gallery
185: Community Forums
186: CPGlang
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: CPGlang
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Home
195: Community Forums
196: Your Account
197: News Archive
198: Home
199: Home
200: Community Forums
201: Statistics
202: Community Forums
203: Downloads
204: Home
205: Home
206: Member Screenshots
207: Photo Gallery
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M3 Halftrack, something new at Ft Bliss Nu4
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:00 am
Post subject: M3 Halftrack, something new at Ft Bliss Nu4

Hi Folks!

Staff member showed me this one last Thurday. Per the shipping label the serial number is "4072070". Didn't notice any numbers stamped into the armor. Anyone know if they were stamped into the armor? Staff member though this one might be a runner, or maybe had been a runner.
[img][/img]
[img][/img]
[img][/img]

Staff member told me that she now has three halftracks and this one is in the best shape.

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:54 am
Post subject: Re: M3 Halftrack, something new at Ft Bliss Nu4

Well, sort of a M3. From the boxes on the rear and the interior set up, I'd say it was configured as a M16A1 at some point. M16A1s were converted from M3s, so like I said, sort of a M3.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:24 am
Post subject: Re: M3 Halftrack, something new at Ft Bliss Nu4

Hi KC Amps! Hi Folks!

M16 with a troop door in the rear plate? I noticed those boxes seamed out of place along with the rack for a five gallon bucket. The museum staff member thinks it might have been used a parade vehicle which would explain some of the differences.

M16A1would expain that bulkhead between the cab and the rear compartment.

Interesting.
Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:03 am
Post subject: Re: M3 Halftrack, something new at Ft Bliss Nu4

Joe Demarco suggests looking for the "USA Number [RN] stamped into the front bumper on the passenger's side."

He also has a "theory that the entire US postwar inventory of M3 type HTs was converted to M16A1 for the Korean War."

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:26 am
Post subject: Re: M3 Halftrack, something new at Ft Bliss Nu4

Hi Folks!

I didn't even notice that what I reported as the possible serial number off the shipping label was also the RN number painted on the vehicle. Today I noticed on a couple of shipping labels that serial and bumper numbers match the RN painted on the vehicles.

Will have to check the front bumper next time I am in there. I didn't look at the bumper to closely. I was thinking any serial number would be on something that was not removable from the vehicle.

Neil, would a CMH number help you? If so, this halftrack has a Center of Military History (CMH) data plate on the inside of the driver's door. The CMH number is: 970000083.

Follow up spot Report,
Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:33 am
Post subject: Re: M3 Halftrack, something new at Ft Bliss Nu4

- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Folks!

Will have to check the front bumper next time I am in there. I didn't look at the bumper to closely. I was thinking any serial number would be on something that was not removable from the vehicle.



Funny, I had an M48 veteran once tell me the same thing about tow lugs Wink



Neil, would a CMH number help you? If so, this halftrack has a Center of Military History (CMH) data plate on the inside of the driver's door. The CMH number is: 970000083.



Nah, I've not become quite insidious enough yet to be tracking CMH's numbering system Wink

BTW, here's a couple of similar half-track bumper examples from Joe DeMarco.





Dont feel too bad, I had no idea where to really look on half-tracks myself until today...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:46 am
Post subject: Re: M3 Halftrack, something new at Ft Bliss Nu4

Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

Thanks to you and Joe for those photos. Now I have a better idea where to look. I am surpised the number would be put on something that could can be removed like a bumper. But then looking at the halftrack today (Monday) it was almost impossable to see a part other than the frame that wasn't removeable.

Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:02 pm
Post subject: Re: M3 Halftrack, something new at Ft Bliss Nu4

Hi Folks!

Looked this one over last Monday, Didn't find any numbers.
[img][/img]
The front bumper didn't have any numbers on the top. It might be that there is a SN on the front and under one of these two hinges for a tow bar.

Check out this photo. Look at the top front edge of the door frames.
[img][/img]
I had noticed the towing lugs before and thought they were just setting up there. Last Monday I noticed they are welded to the top of the door frames.

Follow up spot report.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:35 am
Post subject: Re: M3 Halftrack, something new at Ft Bliss Nu4

Roy, I assume there's no dataplate inside? You can often see it & photograph it without even needing to open the door or get inside...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:21 am
Post subject: Re: M3 Halftrack, something new at Ft Bliss Nu4

Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

The only data plate inside the cab area is one with that CMH number.

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum