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- GaryKato

As for the AMX VCI/VCA, I guess it's a VCG. On the one hand, you're right about the drive sprocket not looking right. I feel it's AMX based from the muffler on the right front trackguard as well as the typical stowage of a roadwheel on the glacis plate. The VCG has a dozer blade plus a front mounted A arm (which you can see in the photo behind the lights)..

Gary, you are right, it's indeed an AMX-13 VCG. I was a little bit confused, because Saumur also owns an AMX-13 VCG F1 which is quite different (the drive sprocket is from an usual AMX-13), (here is a picture from Dennis Trowbridge). It seems that both drive sprocket were used for this vehicle.

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2985676410063387170ByRGjx

GaryKato · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 39

Jens,
No problem. I knew that either I had a brain stroke and lost my ability for pattern recognition or we had to be looking at different pictures!

(for some reason, I'm feeling a year older today myself) Smile

Jens_O_Mehner

- JimWeb

- Jens_O_Mehner

(for some reason feeling a year older today... )

The most un-subtle birthday hint I ever saw... Happy Birthday Jens!

Why, thank you very much, how did you ever guess? Laughing

Jens_O_Mehner

- GaryKato

I've never seen one in my life. However, I'm looking at the pictures of hubs from Bill Munro's book "Alvis Saracen Family" and the hubs look the same to me, even the ones on the cover picture of a Saracen.

Are we looking at the same picture? I was trying to ID this one:
Unknown 2

Ooops, he said,

wiping humungous amounts of egg off his face- I was stuck in Neill's posts and the sixwheeler there.

Yep, that indeed is a Stalwart, possibly even trialled by the French at one time, Alvis did try to market it rather aggressively, it was also trialled by the Bundeswehr.

Sorry about the mishap, Gary, glad you saw clearer than I and pointed out the root of the problem.

Jens O.

GaryKato · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 39

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I've been around enough real Stalwarts (there's even a privately owned one about 15 klicks from where I live) to tell you that crate isn't one- just compare the wheel hubs, which were very typical of the whole Stalwart/Saracen/Saladin family.

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I've never seen one in my life. However, I'm looking at the pictures of hubs from Bill Munro's book "Alvis Saracen Family" and the hubs look the same to me, even the ones on the cover picture of a Saracen.

Are we looking at the same picture? I was trying to ID this one:
Unknown 2

JimWeb

- Jens_O_Mehner

(for some reason feeling a year older today... )

The most un-subtle birthday hint I ever saw... Happy Birthday Jens!

Cool

Jens_O_Mehner

- GaryKato

This is a link to the Accurate Armour's Stalwart product page. I still think it's a Stalwart.
Accurate Armour Stalwart

Gary,

I've been around enough real Stalwarts (there's even a privately owned one about 15 klicks from where I live) to tell you that crate isn't one- just compare the wheel hubs, which were very typical of the whole Stalwart/Saracen/Saladin family.

Jens O.
(for some reason feeling a year older today... Smile

)

GaryKato · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 39

- Jens_O_Mehner

- GaryKato

Unknown 2 is probably an Alvis Stalwart (Accurate Armor just came out with a kit of it)

Only if they washed it too hot and it shrunk- nowhere near the size of a "Stolly" and wrong types of wheels to boot.

This is a link to the Accurate Armour's Stalwart product page. I still think it's a Stalwart.
Accurate Armour Stalwart

As for the AMX VCI/VCA, I guess it's a VCG. On the one hand, you're right about the drive sprocket not looking right. I feel it's AMX based from the muffler on the right front trackguard as well as the typical stowage of a roadwheel on the glacis plate. The VCG has a dozer blade plus a front mounted A arm (which you can see in the photo behind the lights).

That 4-wheeled armored car is going to lose me some sleep.

I saw a picture (though not clear) of a VCG from the right side. It looked as if the drive sprocket was extended, like for some power take-off. You might try googling for it "AMX VCG" and taking a look at it. In your picture, it looks as if something should attach to the drive sprocket.

Jens_O_Mehner

- GaryKato

Unknown 2 is probably an Alvis Stalwart (Accurate Armor just came out with a kit of it)

Only if they washed it too hot and it shrunk- nowhere near the size of a "Stolly" and wrong types of wheels to boot.

the_shadock

- GaryKato

Unknown armored car (the middle one, I assume) looks like a Panhard M3.

That's not a Panhard M3.. there are not mudguards on this vehicle and the hull shows some differences.

- GaryKato

Unknown 3 looks like an AMX-13 VCI or VCA. VCI is for infantry, VCA is for artillery.

The drive sprocket is not from an AMX-13, plus it has a dozer blande which makes it an Engineer tank..
Anyway thanks for helping !!

Pierre-Olivier

GaryKato · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 39

Unknown armored car (the middle one, I assume) looks like a Panhard M3.

Unknown 2 is probably an Alvis Stalwart (Accurate Armor just came out with a kit of it)

Unknown 3 looks like an AMX-13 VCI or VCA. VCI is for infantry, VCA is for artillery.

Unknown 4 looks like an AMX-10P.

pd278 · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 8

that panther came from paris one of two as monuments

the_shadock

- Neil_Baumgardner

Chinese APC?

Looks like a Type 63 (industrial designation YW 531) Chinese APC.
The "Unknown Russian vehicle with Egyptian markings" is in fact a Chinese WZ 701 Command tank.

P-O

Rikard_Hufschmied

- Neil_Baumgardner

Isnt that Tiger track in the left foreground?

Neil

It might be the narrow transport tracks for the Tiger I, if not they are sure close.

the_shadock

Some more vehicles from Saumur to identify, please go on the album and have a look to the photos. I can't manage to post the photos on the forum directly... I don't know why but the server is forbiddening the access to a photo linked from an external website...

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/560046376iZuVfr

P-O

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