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Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

I can also cobble up a "mythical" tank silhouette...totally generic. Should also be "old" and not modern-looking. I wanted something that we could feel comfortable in while mingling with the public on planes, buses, in crowds, etc. in various parts of the world without "political" entanglements. If you start putting national symbols of any sort on there, this could get to be a problem, depending on who, and where, you are.

Jens_O_Mehner · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- Doug_Kibbey

Jens.
Well, I hastened to get a tank in there because there was some risk associated with travelers with the "CIA" thing in there and no instant CLARIFICATION about what it was about. Actually, the Sherman was not my first choice, a WWI Mark IV was, but George pointed out that this was in use by another group that he wanted not to impinge upon, so I went with the next most generic and widely recognized symbol....nationalism had nothing to do with the choice, I promise.

Ahh, not to worry,

I didn't imply any nationalism, I can see where the M4 comes in, but I feel it's a bit overused these days and I was aiming at a instantly recognizable, quasimodern yet traditional and self-explanatory look, that's why my design also spells CIA out and uses well-known tanks with an international flavour.

We'd have to rethink the Star of David if there any among us that plan to travel to Arabian countries...

Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- Jens_O_Mehner

Well,

I see where you're coming from, but to the best of my knowledge none of the US governmental logos have been trademarked or copyrighted- anyways, if we drop the shield and just use the armor triangle instead (which is in the public domain), we use a traditional heraldic design- we can even drop the scroll background and just use the national recognition marks.

I like your T-shirt designs, but I was aiming at a more internationally oriented logo, and not everybody used Shermans.

Jens.
Well, I hastened to get a tank in there because there was some risk associated with travelers with the "CIA" thing in there and no instant CLARIFICATION about what it was about. Actually, the Sherman was not my first choice, a WWI Mark IV was, but George pointed out that this was in use by another group that he wanted not to impinge upon, so I went with the next most generic and widely recognized symbol....nationalism had nothing to do with the choice, I promise.

Jens_O_Mehner · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

Well,

I see where you're coming from, but to the best of my knowledge none of the US governmental logos have been trademarked or copyrighted- anyways, if we drop the shield and just use the armor triangle instead (which is in the public domain), we use a traditional heraldic design- we can even drop the scroll background and just use the national recognition marks.

I like your T-shirt designs, but I was aiming at a more internationally oriented logo, and not everybody used Shermans. Wink

bsmart · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

Get out here to Aberdeen and we can make it happen!

Roy_A_Lingle · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- JimWeb

.. now all I need is an image of a grumpy old fart on top of something armoured.. Roy?

Sorry, I became a "grumpy old fart" long after the last time I was up on top of an AFV so I don't have any photos. Now if you can provide me with an AFV to climb up onto, I will glady pose for you. Razz

Sgt, Scouts Out!

Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- Jens_O_Mehner

I know nuthink...

You know, this whole thing got me thinking (always dangerous, ask any number of my various contemporaries at any given moment in time)- we need a badge!

I already have an idea, but I suck at the realisation- here's my concept, first have a look at the original:

I thought we'll have an OD background, "Curmudgeons in Armor" instead of "Central Intelligence Agency" (oxymoron city) the eagle gets replaced by a profile view of a silver/grey Mk I rhomboid tank facing left (sorta like the old collar badge), a head-on view of a T-55, and a profile view of a Leopard 1 or 2 facing right, on the white shield we replace the star with the armor triangle.

On the bottom scroll, I'd put a white star for the US, either a red star or the tricolor for the Rodina, an iron cross for Germany, the respective roundels for the UK, France and Finland, the Star of David for Israel- you get the idea, we'll have to use a lot of wingy thingy stuff, but many of these have been used for aerial recognition on armored vehicles. Lest we run out of space, I'd say we shoot for nations with an armor tradition and/or a major impact on armor design.

Whaddaya think? We could but it on name badges, patches, decals, T-shirts, hats... The list is endless. Instant recognition, fame, fortune, world domination, all ours if someone could put it into a graphic form.

Jens O.

Jens,

I'd be careful of running afoul of any copyrighted or trademarked logos, even in jest, since I've known it to come up with regard to some military units.

However, I had gotten this far with some T-Shirt ideas for CafePress, with George's blessing, before I got into a travel cycle and forgot all about it...
I have a version with AFV News in there somewhere, too.
Whadday'a think?

Dontos · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- JimWeb

- Jens_O_Mehner

Gee,

thanks for your vote of approval, I'm blushing... While we're at it, could we replace this terribly PC "persons" with characters? Somehow seems more fitting.

Seems a good idea... now all I need is an image of a grumpy old fart on top of something armoured.. Roy?

Jens is probably the only person on here who can figure out what I'm up to...

How about a Tanker who is 'ordered' to apply face paint since the Infantry Bn had all their guys in paint.

(This was one of the Inf Bns that had just moved to Ft Hood from 5th ID at Ft Polk.)

It may seem trivial, but I wasn't buying the justification.

BS games always had me wondering WTF!!!

Don

Jens_O_Mehner · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- JimWeb

Seems a good idea... now all I need is an image of a grumpy old fart on top of something armoured.. Roy?

Make that an old fart surrounded by hot young chicks in tank tops atop an armored vehicle- we've an image to preserve, you know? Laughing

Jens_O_Mehner · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

I know nuthink... Cool

You know, this whole thing got me thinking (always dangerous, ask any number of my various contemporaries at any given moment in time)- we need a badge!

I already have an idea, but I suck at the realisation- here's my concept, first have a look at the original:

I thought we'll have an OD background, "Curmudgeons in Armor" instead of "Central Intelligence Agency" (oxymoron city) the eagle gets replaced by a profile view of a silver/grey Mk I rhomboid tank facing left (sorta like the old collar badge), a head-on view of a T-55, and a profile view of a Leopard 1 or 2 facing right, on the white shield we replace the star with the armor triangle.

On the bottom scroll, I'd put a white star for the US, either a red star or the tricolor for the Rodina, an iron cross for Germany, the respective roundels for the UK, France and Finland, the Star of David for Israel- you get the idea, we'll have to use a lot of wingy thingy stuff, but many of these have been used for aerial recognition on armored vehicles. Lest we run out of space, I'd say we shoot for nations with an armor tradition and/or a major impact on armor design.

Whaddaya think? We could but it on name badges, patches, decals, T-shirts, hats... The list is endless. Instant recognition, fame, fortune, world domination, all ours if someone could put it into a graphic form. Laughing

Jens O.

JimWeb · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- Jens_O_Mehner

Gee,

thanks for your vote of approval, I'm blushing... While we're at it, could we replace this terribly PC "persons" with characters? Somehow seems more fitting.

Seems a good idea... now all I need is an image of a grumpy old fart on top of something armoured.. Roy? Laughing

Jens is probably the only person on here who can figure out what I'm up to...

Cool

Jens_O_Mehner · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

Gee,

thanks for your vote of approval, I'm blushing... While we're at it, could we replace this terribly PC "persons" with characters? Somehow seems more fitting. Laughing

Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- Roy_A_Lingle

Hi Folks!

- Jens_O_Mehner

Can we get a cantankerous in there?

I vote for replacing "ill-tempered persons" with Jens' "cantankerous"!

My extra 2 cents,
Sgt, Scouts Out!

I second.

Roy_A_Lingle · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

Hi Folks!

- Jens_O_Mehner

Can we get a cantankerous in there?

I vote for replacing "ill-tempered persons" with Jens' "cantankerous"!

My extra 2 cents,
Sgt, Scouts Out!

Jens_O_Mehner · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

Can we get a cantankerous in there? Cool

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