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L.Delsing · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Feb 10, 2006 Posts: 960

Hello Neil,
Translating the cyrillic numbers from some T-72 into English
K12BT4233 = K12VT4233 Aberdeen T-72

X09BT5771 = Kh09VT5771 Fort Knox T-72

V11B15727: Fort Knox, most likely a Soviet built tank. In that case after the cyrillic'' B'' (V) should come another letter.In case of T-72s the letters UT, LT, L and G are also possible. This of course in cyrillic.

Ja03WT4620 = Ja03VT4620 Fort Irwin T-72

Regards,
Lesley

Neil_Baumgardner

Yes, it is a fake of course. If its based on something real I suppose I could list that.

BTW, the "modernization plan" - ie base closures - announced last week will probably have some impact on historic AFV displays in France. I mean to look it over & compare to the France register sometime this week if I can...

Neil

the_shadock

"WHEATON
1 s t Division Museum at Catigny"

Spelling mistake, it's Cantigny.
By the way, I suppose that this CA1 Schneider tank in the museum is a fake one, because it's not listed in the register :
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/2666777538_eb19628c6d.jpg?v=0

the_shadock

Is it the Toad from Bovington or another one?

P-O

toadmanstankpictures · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 704

- the_shadock

Neil, do you have this one?

Churchill Toad goes to Jacques Littlefield

The Churchill Flail FV3902 or Toad was a post-war (1950s) mine-clearing flail tank built on a Churchill chassis.
Only 42 were made for the Royal Engineers and none saw operational service.
[...] Now thanks to the restoration team of RR Services in Kent, the only survivor has been painstakingly restored to fully operational condition over a two year period.
At itâ€™s unveiling on 16th May, it was handed over to new owner Jacques Littlefield from California.

P-O

It should be here sometime in July. I'll post pics of it as soon as I'm able to take them.

Dontos

Here are a few items that need to be corrected from V3.0.

Item 1:
Camp Elliot Ca (??)
(As relayed to me via email source)

I heard that 4th Tank Bn, reservists near Camp Elliot near MCAS Miramar, had an Ontos. So I jumped in my car today and drove out to see for myself. I found an M60A1 and a Sherman but no Ontos. I spoke to some of the Marines there and one of them said that he remembers recovering the Ontos after two M60's got stuck during an exercise a number of years ago. They hit something hard, and it turned out to be an Ontos. And supposedly it was on display at Camp Elliot for years after this

Item 2:
Ridgecrest Ca (NWS-China Lake) approx, 76 M50A1 Ontos, as well as M151's, LVTs, SP artillery...... (type & num ukn)

Item 3:
MVTP (Portola Valley Ca) possess T165E1 & T165E2 Prototype Ontos (as listed...) But NO M50 Ontos.

I'll try to get more info on M60 & Sherman at Camp Elliot. Unless someone else has already done this. I'll see about getting specific sn's from Marine Corps Mechanized Museum.

Great stuff Neil! Amazing how far you've steered this project.

Regards
Don

the_shadock

Neil,

"FORT CARSON
3 rd Armored Cavalry Regiment Museum
M4A3 Sherman / Jumbo turret USA out? "

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2095380240042318703WzZDvQ

Seems that the M4A3/Jumbo at Fort Carson is confirmed to be outside, at least it was surely outside in August 2006.

P-O

Neil_Baumgardner

I have just uploaded V3.0 - see the link on the first page.

Neil

TrevorLarkum

- Neil_Baumgardner

Trevor, sure - YOU can send me a copy of course, LOL... In case you dont have it, my e-mail address is baumgar @ hotmail .

My problem is timing... I only have 2 full days (June 22 & 23) for sightseeing, and I'm sorry but the Vatican and ancient Rome (Colosseum, Forum, etc) are higher priorities for my first trip to Rome. ;)

Now I may have some free time once I land on Saturday, June 21 and drop off my luggage, etc.

But as best I can tell, Il Museo storico della Motorizzazione Militare, is currently closed & undergoing renovation? And otherwise normally only open on Sundays 9-12....

www.esercito.difesa.it...azione.asp

If there was someway to get in on Saturday, June 21, afternoon - I might heavily consider it. Anyone have contacts?

Neil

The link on the bottom of that page seems to say Saturday and Sunday:

Of course, 1200 may be too early for you. However, it says they will take visits on other days by appointment so they might be flexible about a visit Saturday afternoon.

Nonetheless, of course it makes perfect sense to have a look around the rest of Rome for your visit, so that really should be your priority. I didn't mean to distract you. I'll send the document anyway just in case it's of interest. Have fun visiting the famous places, and I'm sure there won't be too many 'off topic' complaints if you showed us a picture or two of the sights from your trip.

Neil_Baumgardner

Trevor, sure - YOU can send me a copy of course, LOL... In case you dont have it, my e-mail address is baumgar @ hotmail .

My problem is timing... I only have 2 full days (June 22 & 23) for sightseeing, and I'm sorry but the Vatican and ancient Rome (Colosseum, Forum, etc) are higher priorities for my first trip to Rome. Wink

Now I may have some free time once I land on Saturday, June 21 and drop off my luggage, etc.

But as best I can tell, Il Museo storico della Motorizzazione Militare, is currently closed & undergoing renovation? And otherwise normally only open on Sundays 9-12....

www.esercito.difesa.it...azione.asp

If there was someway to get in on Saturday, June 21, afternoon - I might heavily consider it. Anyone have contacts?

Neil

the_shadock

(Partial) Story of the Jumbo at Camp Ripley :

http://milveh.tripod.com/Pictures/wwiivehicles/jumbo/index.htm

Another interesting piece of info from this page : "At least one other Jumbo is out on the impact range, but from my observation from OP 1 at a range of about 1200M-1500M there is VERY little left other than the hull."

P-O

M9ACE · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 29, 2006 Posts: 4

There is a privately owned M59 APC in Upton, Massachusetts that seems to be in good shape. You might want to add it to your list. I am pretty sure it is a runner. If I have time I will take a picture of it.

Dontos

Hey Neil

Did you catch this?

caption reads:
Watch for Flying Tank! Camp San Luis Obispo's Type 97b Tankette being evacuated to the Camp Roberts Maneuver Area Training Equipment Site for rerpair, conservation and repainting. Photo by CW2 (CA) Sandy Peralta.

here is the link: www.militarymuseum.org/

FYI
Don

Neil_Baumgardner

Don thanks - but perhaps this should go on P-O's surviving panzers thread?

I havent started an Afghanistan AFV Registry yet Wink

Neil

Neil_Baumgardner

Actually that set is already identified - its at Coonskin Park / WV ARNG HQ in Charleston WV.

Thanks anyway though Tichenor!

Neil

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