±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 801
Total: 801
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Downloads
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Photo Gallery
05: Downloads
06: Photo Gallery
07: Community Forums
08: Home
09: CPGlang
10: Community Forums
11: Photo Gallery
12: Member Screenshots
13: Community Forums
14: Photo Gallery
15: Photo Gallery
16: Photo Gallery
17: Downloads
18: Statistics
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Community Forums
22: CPGlang
23: Community Forums
24: Downloads
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Photo Gallery
29: Downloads
30: Downloads
31: Home
32: CPGlang
33: Photo Gallery
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Photo Gallery
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Photo Gallery
42: Community Forums
43: Home
44: Downloads
45: Community Forums
46: Downloads
47: Photo Gallery
48: Photo Gallery
49: Photo Gallery
50: Community Forums
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Photo Gallery
55: Photo Gallery
56: Community Forums
57: Statistics
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Home
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Photo Gallery
67: Home
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Downloads
71: Photo Gallery
72: Home
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Home
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Member Screenshots
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Home
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Home
98: Downloads
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Home
103: News Archive
104: Community Forums
105: CPGlang
106: Downloads
107: Downloads
108: Home
109: CPGlang
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: Community Forums
119: Home
120: Photo Gallery
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Member Screenshots
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Home
127: Photo Gallery
128: Photo Gallery
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Home
132: Community Forums
133: Downloads
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Photo Gallery
138: Downloads
139: Community Forums
140: Photo Gallery
141: Community Forums
142: Photo Gallery
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Photo Gallery
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Photo Gallery
152: Member Screenshots
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Photo Gallery
157: Downloads
158: News
159: Community Forums
160: Home
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Statistics
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Home
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Photo Gallery
171: Community Forums
172: Home
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Photo Gallery
178: Community Forums
179: Photo Gallery
180: News
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Photo Gallery
187: Community Forums
188: Photo Gallery
189: Home
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Downloads
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Photo Gallery
198: Photo Gallery
199: Photo Gallery
200: Photo Gallery
201: News Archive
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Your Account
208: Statistics
209: Community Forums
210: Photo Gallery
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Home
214: Home
215: Photo Gallery
216: Photo Gallery
217: Community Forums
218: Photo Gallery
219: Photo Gallery
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Photo Gallery
223: Home
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Statistics
227: Community Forums
228: Photo Gallery
229: CPGlang
230: Community Forums
231: Photo Gallery
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Home
235: Home
236: Home
237: Photo Gallery
238: Community Forums
239: Member Screenshots
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Member Screenshots
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Downloads
247: Home
248: Community Forums
249: Home
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Home
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Your Account
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Photo Gallery
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Member Screenshots
271: Photo Gallery
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Photo Gallery
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: CPGlang
281: Photo Gallery
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: CPGlang
285: Home
286: Community Forums
287: Photo Gallery
288: Home
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Photo Gallery
293: Home
294: Member Screenshots
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Home
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Member Screenshots
307: Photo Gallery
308: Community Forums
309: Member Screenshots
310: Community Forums
311: Photo Gallery
312: Community Forums
313: Photo Gallery
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: News
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Photo Gallery
326: CPGlang
327: Photo Gallery
328: Community Forums
329: Photo Gallery
330: Community Forums
331: News
332: Community Forums
333: Photo Gallery
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Downloads
340: Photo Gallery
341: Home
342: Statistics
343: Photo Gallery
344: Community Forums
345: Home
346: Home
347: Community Forums
348: Downloads
349: Home
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Photo Gallery
353: Photo Gallery
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Photo Gallery
357: Community Forums
358: CPGlang
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Home
362: Downloads
363: Photo Gallery
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Downloads
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Downloads
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Home
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Downloads
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Photo Gallery
383: Photo Gallery
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: News Archive
388: Community Forums
389: Photo Gallery
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Home
399: Community Forums
400: Photo Gallery
401: Downloads
402: Photo Gallery
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: CPGlang
406: Community Forums
407: Photo Gallery
408: Community Forums
409: Home
410: Home
411: Photo Gallery
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Photo Gallery
417: Community Forums
418: Home
419: Home
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Downloads
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Home
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: CPGlang
434: Community Forums
435: Downloads
436: Community Forums
437: Home
438: Home
439: Community Forums
440: Photo Gallery
441: Community Forums
442: Home
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Photo Gallery
447: Photo Gallery
448: Community Forums
449: Photo Gallery
450: Community Forums
451: Photo Gallery
452: Downloads
453: Community Forums
454: Downloads
455: Photo Gallery
456: Community Forums
457: Downloads
458: Home
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Photo Gallery
462: Photo Gallery
463: Community Forums
464: CPGlang
465: Your Account
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Home
469: Statistics
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Home
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Photo Gallery
479: Home
480: Community Forums
481: Photo Gallery
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Photo Gallery
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Photo Gallery
492: Home
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Home
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Home
503: Community Forums
504: Photo Gallery
505: Statistics
506: Home
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Photo Gallery
510: Community Forums
511: Photo Gallery
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: News
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Home
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Downloads
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Member Screenshots
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Photo Gallery
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Home
537: Photo Gallery
538: Downloads
539: Home
540: Community Forums
541: CPGlang
542: CPGlang
543: News
544: CPGlang
545: Community Forums
546: Member Screenshots
547: Statistics
548: Statistics
549: Community Forums
550: Photo Gallery
551: Photo Gallery
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Downloads
555: Community Forums
556: Photo Gallery
557: Photo Gallery
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: Photo Gallery
561: Photo Gallery
562: Photo Gallery
563: CPGlang
564: Photo Gallery
565: Downloads
566: Home
567: Community Forums
568: Home
569: Community Forums
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Home
577: Home
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Home
582: Home
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Photo Gallery
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Photo Gallery
591: Home
592: Home
593: Community Forums
594: Community Forums
595: Community Forums
596: CPGlang
597: Community Forums
598: Photo Gallery
599: CPGlang
600: Community Forums
601: Photo Gallery
602: Community Forums
603: Photo Gallery
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Photo Gallery
607: Community Forums
608: Downloads
609: Photo Gallery
610: Community Forums
611: Community Forums
612: Photo Gallery
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Photo Gallery
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Photo Gallery
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Home
622: Member Screenshots
623: CPGlang
624: Community Forums
625: Community Forums
626: Statistics
627: Photo Gallery
628: Community Forums
629: Home
630: Community Forums
631: CPGlang
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Photo Gallery
635: Home
636: Downloads
637: Your Account
638: Community Forums
639: Community Forums
640: Home
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Your Account
644: CPGlang
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Photo Gallery
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Community Forums
652: Photo Gallery
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: Community Forums
656: Community Forums
657: News Archive
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Home
661: CPGlang
662: Community Forums
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Your Account
666: Community Forums
667: Home
668: Community Forums
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Community Forums
673: Home
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: CPGlang
678: Photo Gallery
679: Community Forums
680: Downloads
681: Your Account
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Photo Gallery
685: Community Forums
686: Photo Gallery
687: Home
688: Downloads
689: Community Forums
690: Home
691: Photo Gallery
692: Community Forums
693: Photo Gallery
694: Community Forums
695: Photo Gallery
696: Community Forums
697: Community Forums
698: CPGlang
699: Community Forums
700: Community Forums
701: Photo Gallery
702: Community Forums
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Home
706: Community Forums
707: Photo Gallery
708: Photo Gallery
709: Home
710: Community Forums
711: Community Forums
712: Home
713: Community Forums
714: Your Account
715: Downloads
716: Community Forums
717: Photo Gallery
718: Downloads
719: Downloads
720: Downloads
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Community Forums
725: Member Screenshots
726: Community Forums
727: Downloads
728: CPGlang
729: Community Forums
730: Community Forums
731: Community Forums
732: Community Forums
733: Photo Gallery
734: Community Forums
735: Community Forums
736: Community Forums
737: Downloads
738: Community Forums
739: Community Forums
740: Contact
741: Photo Gallery
742: Community Forums
743: Home
744: Home
745: Community Forums
746: Community Forums
747: Statistics
748: CPGlang
749: Community Forums
750: Community Forums
751: Community Forums
752: Photo Gallery
753: Photo Gallery
754: Community Forums
755: Community Forums
756: Community Forums
757: Community Forums
758: Photo Gallery
759: Home
760: Community Forums
761: Photo Gallery
762: Community Forums
763: Photo Gallery
764: Community Forums
765: Photo Gallery
766: Community Forums
767: Community Forums
768: Home
769: Statistics
770: Photo Gallery
771: Photo Gallery
772: Community Forums
773: News Archive
774: Community Forums
775: Community Forums
776: Community Forums
777: Statistics
778: Community Forums
779: Home
780: Community Forums
781: Community Forums
782: Community Forums
783: Community Forums
784: Photo Gallery
785: Community Forums
786: Photo Gallery
787: Community Forums
788: Community Forums
789: Home
790: Photo Gallery
791: Home
792: Community Forums
793: Community Forums
794: Community Forums
795: Community Forums
796: Photo Gallery
797: Community Forums
798: Community Forums
799: Downloads
800: Community Forums
801: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Ammo Container ID
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 11:38 am
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

Jim, This might be what you're talking about:

www3.dac.army.mil/AV/Y...INDEX.HTML


_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:29 am
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

Anyone know where to get any of the SNL code books?

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

- MarkHolloway
There's an old, faded stencil that says, "PJNIM" if that means anything. Photo shows where containers are joined.



PJNIM (or perhaps P1NIM?) is the Code Symbol or Ammunition Identification Code for this ammunition item.

P means it was cataloged in SNL Group P_. The catalogs were P-1, P-2 and the like, I don't think there was ever a letter-letter designator. Catalog P-1 covered Projectiles, separate loading, 6-inch to 240mm inclusive. Others in Group P were propelling charges and antiaircraft artillery ammo, and others.

NIM would be a designator indicating a particular stocking arrangement, including both the ammunition and the packaging.

The 3.25-inch target rocket someone mentioned was cataloged in group S-9, S9B _ _ to be exact, with the motors as S9D _ _.

If there's any chance of finding clearer stencils, that would say exactly what this is for.

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

Jim, I went out and looked again and you are right that it is two containers joined end to end. So they measure 4 3/4 inches by 38 inches. There's an old, faded stencil that says, "PJNIM" if that means anything. Photo shows where containers are joined.


_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

I'm still Tumblin'

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:51 am
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

That was his second time at Knox with a couple other stops inbetween if I remember correctly. He ain't named Tumbleweed for nothin'

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

hey tumbleweed,
dont know what that is. looks bigger than 2.75. ah, it is a sewer pipe, came off an old ww1 vintage destroyer, hell, i dont know. sorry...
the 2.75's i got are all crated and packed in cardboard tubes, motors are roughly 42 inches or so and the warheads are just under 18".

you still married? you need to use some lead weighted shoes, a year ago
you meet a few of us at ft. knox, now you are back out in cali?

shawn
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

A thorough exam of the surface - including the ends - should reveal a PAxx or Mxx number for the container which will help the ID. Unfortunately, if the product shipped was not Ordnance-cognizant, it will not likely have a PA or M designator. For example, 115mm chemical rockets which belong to the ChemC.

FYI, I checked today and the 2.75-in rockets were and are shipped in fiber tubes, both as components and as an assembly.

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Shadow_Banshee
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 03, 2005
Posts: 575

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

try this u can zoom on pics etc maic.jmu.edu/ordata/sr...?ordid=282

_________________
Lay me place and bake me Pie
I'm starving for me Gravy
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

Looks to me like two storage containers for Rocket, target, 3.25-inch M2 joined end to end...

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

For once I can't help. When I was in 1 TFW the phrase was 'Not a pound for Air To Ground' The only ordnance we carried was AIM 9 & AIM 7 missles. They came out of the ammo dump on trailers not in containers.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

- MarkHolloway
Joe,

I never thought of that. The 2.75" rocket would fit in one of these. That's probably right. Thanks!


Ya' know, I'm not so sure that's what it is. 2.75"FFAR's are mighty plentiful and made by everybody and that seems like a pretty sophisticated container for such an item. I'm no expert, but I believe the rocket motor is typically packaged separately and in bulk in cardboard tubes in wooden crates (wasn't it this way in Vietnam?). Bob Smart might have some insight here.

Here are two examples, one of units in storage in Vietnam, and one of a current supplier from Brasil. See what you think...

www.vhpamuseum.org/wea...ockets.jpg


www.imbel.gov.br/index...mp;lang=en
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:14 am
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

Joe,

I never thought of that. The 2.75" rocket would fit in one of these. That's probably right. Thanks!

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2066
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:50 am
Post subject: Re: Ammo Container ID

'Weed,
My Engineer Battle Buddy says it's not Bangalore, told me they came in wooden crates. Maybe 2.75" Rocket, but I'm not a wingy thingy guy.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:58 pm
Post subject: Ammo Container ID

This place where I live has fence posts made out of some old ammo containers. They are about 4 inches in diameter and maybe 6 feet long. No writing. Could Bangelore Torpedoes come in these?


_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum