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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:02 pm
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Hi P-O

I have found something for the Sherman Firefly register

It's the Firefly that is at Amersfoort
The picture is taken at the Cavalry museum location, in 1985

I recognize the building in the back ground, because it's the main building of the museum

This is the same vehicle that is mentioned in the book: Sherman Firefly, from Mark Hayward from 2001

It is 100% that this is the same vehicle because of the PaK 40 muzzle brake fitted to the main gun

According the book it's part of the museum collection

The link to the wikipedia page:
commons.wikimedia.org/...sfoort.jpg

The copyright holder of the picture, released it into the public domain. This applies worldwide

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By the way, it is now part of the MVTF collection in Portola, CA.

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Hi P-O

no problem

I can not keep track on all the files, so I just mentioned it Mr. Green

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Michel,

each vehicle listed on the "Surviving Panzers" website can't be listed twice in 2 different PDF files.
The tank you are talking about (shown here ) should be listed among the "Post-WW2 vehicles based
on Sherman chassis", even if it has fittings for the Dozer blade. That's a choice..




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Hi folks

to get back to the Sherman dozers

I recieved my copy of Military Vehicles International last weekend
There is an article in it about the British Budge collection

I know the collection has been broken up in the 80's
However among the vehicle's in the picture's is an Israeli Super Sherman
This vehicle has fittings along the running gear for an dozer blade

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Thanks Michel, I'm always glad to get some help from a forum member and friend

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The Brussels army museum, probably now somewhere at display.

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When the unit returned to Belgium, it merged with the 2 lancers and the monuments went to back to the museum


Michel,

they went back to which museum?

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P-O

At the Firefly document you are asking for pictures of a Firefly located in Soest, Germany. Do you have some more information for that Firefly.
The reason I'm asking is almost 20 years ago Soest was a Belgian Garrisson and there was a unit, 4 lancers, witch had a firefly as monument.
When the unit returned to Belgium, it merged with the 2 lancers and the monuments went to back to the museum.

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Interesting news.

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The fate of some of the Braschaat fire range and Kapellen depot Fireflies :

Sherman Hybrid Ic previously at Braschaat Fire Range :


Sherman Vc hull previously at Braschaat Fire Range :


Both of them now at Tank Museum, Vissenaken :


Sherman Ic previously at Tank Museum, Kapellen :


Now at Tank Museum, Vissenaken :


Sherman Vc previously at Tank Museum, Kapellen :


Now with Kevin Wheatcroft :


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- Tichenor

My remarks on the list:

Shouldn't the Shermans at Hermeton-sur-meuse and Mopertingen also be added to this register. They both have a Firefly hull but have they're turrets replaced with a 75mm turret.


Yes I will add them. Thanks for letting me know.

- Tichenor

At the Visenaken depot there is also a Sherman Ic SN 1604 (sorry no decent picture yet).


Could it be the Kapellen wreck shown there ? :
Kapellen Sherman Ic

- Tichenor

All the wrecks (exempt one) listed at Kapellen are moved to Vissenaken, the 2 Firefly's with the smoke pods are AWOL i'm afraid (nowhere to be seen in Vissenaken). The only wreck at Kapellen is the one without the turret bottom at page 16).

Tichenor


Hope that we will have some news about them fate.

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- P-O

Still working on "new" things..

Sherman Ic, Hybrid Ic and Vc :


My remarks on the list:

Shouldn't the Shermans at Hermeton-sur-meuse and Mopertingen also be added to this register. They both have a Firefly hull but have they're turrets replaced with a 75mm turret.

At the Visenaken depot there is also a Sherman Ic SN 1604 (sorry no decent picture yet).

All the wrecks (exempt one) listed at Kapellen are moved to Vissenaken, the 2 Firefly's with the smoke pods are AWOL i'm afraid (nowhere to be seen in Vissenaken). The only wreck at Kapellen is the one without the turret bottom at page 16).

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:12 am
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Trevor,

I do think it is the one now located at Chatham, until a photo taken in 2009 proves I am wrong (and if I'm wrong, that's excellent news !! because there seems to be only 1 complete Churchill bridgelayer still surviving.)

However, that's what I found on a forum :

"There used to be one outside the TA centre in Cwmbran gently rusting away. "
http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/ftopic3588-0-asc-0.php

P-O


Understood - I tried to visit Cwmbran last year, but unfortunately didn't get there. Anyway, I probably won't try again (but I might try to get to Chatham, and if I do I'll ask about their example).


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- Massimo_Foti
Not sure how this one should be considered:
preservedtanks.com/Pro...p;Select=4

Massimo


thanks. IMO, it should be considered as a Firefly.


Agreed - I've updated the page to match:

preservedtanks.com/Pro...p;Select=4

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Not sure how this one should be considered:
preservedtanks.com/Pro...p;Select=4

Massimo


MAssimo,

thanks. IMO, it should be considered as a Firefly. I'll add it later today.

However, I think that this particular tank should not be part of the PDF file. It appears to be a Grizzly tank (has to be confirmed), with the 17 Pdr gun added, but without all the other Firefly features (doesn't have the plate for the hull MG, doesn't have the typical gun mantlet etc..) :




Apart from the Grizzly Firefly @ Etobicoke Collegiate Institute, Toronto, it seems that very few US M4A1s were converted to Firefly tanks.

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