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G-13. The state of the register
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:29 am
Post subject: G-13. The state of the register

After the LTL-Hs, it's time to report new informations I collected on surviving G-13s. The topic is much more complicated, but thanks to Martin Haudenschild I think I have additional, valuable information.

The info is sorted by swiss r/n, whenever it's available. Tanks with unknow r/n are listed first.
I am not listing all the tanks, just the ones on which I have additional/updated data compared to the current register PDF.
Unless otherwise stated, all the info comes from Martin Haudenschild.

Note, many G-13s in swiss military museums still belong to the Army and are just loaned.


- r/n ????
Dave Carson (private owner, UK)
We can confirm this is a G-13

- r/n ????
Imperial War Museum, Duxford (UK)
We can confirm this is a G-13

- r/n ????
Battle of Normandy Museum, Bayeux (France)
We can confirm this is a G-13

- r/n ????
Private collection, Studen (Switzerland)

- r/n ????
Unknow owner, Bischof (Germany)

- r/n ????
Wehrtechnikmuseum Röthenbach, Nürnberg (Germany)
We can confirm this is a G-13

- r/n ????
Lehar Military Vehicles, Zabreh (Czech Republic)
We can confirm this is a G-13

- r/n ????
Virginia Museum of Military Vehicles Nokesville, VA (USA)
We can confirm this is a G-13

- r/n ????
Fort Bliss Museum, Fort Bliss, TX (USA)
We can confirm this is a G-13

- r/n ????
12th SS-Panzerdivision Reenactment unit, CA (USA)
Both tanks (one is a wreck) are G-13s

- r/n 78002
Army base, Bure (Switzerland)
Used as monument, maybe we could catch it on satellite photos

- r/n 78003
Armeemuseum, Burgdorf (Switzerland) – running condition

- r/n 78007
Army base, Thun (Switzerland)
Current r/n is wrong. Pictures here:
www.com-central.net/in...ic&t=12550

- r/n 78010
Lehrsammlung der Panzertruppenschule, Zwölfaxing (Austria)
We can confirm this is a G-13

- r/n 78012
Army base, Vugelles (Switzerland)
Used as monument, maybe we could catch it on satellite photos

- r/n 78013
Saumur Tank Museum (France)
We now know the original r/n. It's a runner

- r/n 78022
Armeemuseum, Burgdorf (Switzerland) – running condition

- r/n 78023
Army base, Aigle (Switzerland)

- r/n 78024
Bastogne Historical Center, Bastogne (Belgium)
We now know the original r/n and final confirmation it's a G-13

- r/n 78027
National Museum of Military History, Diekirch (Luxembourg)
We now know the original r/n and final confirmation it's a G-13

- r/n 78029
This is a runner. Up to last summer it was at Museum in Zeughaus, Schaffhausen (Switzerland)
It's now in Armeemuseum, Burgdorf (Switzerland). Schaffhausen's museum is supposed to get another one soon

- r/n 78039
This belongs to the SHP collection. See:
www.com-central.net/in...ic&t=12560

- r/n 78048
Auto + Technik Museum, Sinsheim (Germany)
This is the one painted in german camo and without the muzzle brake.
We now know the original r/n. It's a runner

- r/n 78051
Texas Military Museum at Camp Mabry, Austin, TX (USA)
We now know the original r/n and final confirmation it's a G-13
It's a runner

- r/n 78054
Armeemuseum, Burgdorf (Switzerland) – running condition
The PDF contains a picture of it, running inside Thun's barracks, dating back to 2004

- r/n 78057
Jacques Littlefield Collection, Portola, CA (USA)
We now know the original r/n. It's a runner

- r/n 78058
Bitburg (Germany) – running condition
Anybody can help on this?

- r/n 78085
2nd Panzer Division Association, IL (USA) – running condition
We now know the original r/n and final confirmation it's a G-13

- r/n 78091
Pansarmuseet, Axvall (Sweden) – running condition
Just the r/n is missing from the PDF

- r/n 78112
Auto + Technik Museum, Sinsheim (Germany)
This is the one with swiss gray camo and muzzle brake.
The r/n is missing from the PDF. It's a runner

- r/n 78112
Royal Museum of the Armed Forces, Brussels (Belgium)
We now know the original r/n. It's a runner

- r/n 78126
Hilfikon (Switzerland)

- r/n 78152
Army base, Hinwil (Switzerland)
Used as monument, maybe we could catch it on satellite photos

- r/n 78154
Saumur Tank Museum (France)
We now know the original r/n. It's a runner

- r/n 78155
Munster Panzer Museum (Germany)
We can confirm this is a G-13

- r/n 78192
Armeemuseum, Burgdorf (Switzerland) – running condition

- r/n 78193
Army base, Othmarsingen (Switzerland) – running condition

- r/n 78196
Armeemuseum, Burgdorf (Switzerland) – running condition
The PDF contains a picture of it, running inside Thun's barracks, dating back to 2004

- r/n 78198
Armeemuseum, Burgdorf (Switzerland) – running condition
The PDF contains a picture of it, during Thun's Steel Parade in 2005

- r/n 78199
Unknow location. It's a runner

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:13 pm
Post subject: Re: G-13. The state of the register

This should be the one in Bure (M-78002):
tracks.myswitzerland.c...01006.html

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:18 am
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Here we can see a G-13, a Pz 68 and Pz 68/88 in Burgdorf. But r/n aren't visible:
t41.og-burgdorf.ch/ind...mpburgdorf

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:14 pm
Post subject: Re: G-13. The state of the register

- Massimo_Foti
- r/n 78112
Auto + Technik Museum, Sinsheim (Germany)
This is the one with swiss gray camo and muzzle brake.
The r/n is missing from the PDF. It's a runner

- r/n 78112
Royal Museum of the Armed Forces, Brussels (Belgium)
We now know the original r/n. It's a runner


I guess that there is typo somewhere...

- Massimo_Foti
- r/n 78013
Saumur Tank Museum (France)
We now know the original r/n. It's a runner

- r/n 78154
Saumur Tank Museum (France)
We now know the original r/n. It's a runner


Which one is 013 and which one is 154?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:38 am
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I guess that there is typo somewhere...


Ouch! Yes, my fault Crying or Very sad
I am away from home so I can't check my data before the weekend, sorry


Which one is 013 and which one is 154?


Good question... I have no idea. Do you have any contact in Saumur? Maybe they could dig some additional info.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:11 pm
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I am back at home, checked Martin's docs, 78112 is in Sinsheim, 78113 in Brussels.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:30 pm
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I added lentries to my Google map with areas were tanks are used as monuments, including G-13s:
maps.google.com/maps/m...3f&t=h&z=4

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:52 am
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- r/n 78058
Bitburg (Germany) – running condition
Anybody can help on this?


This could be the one from Jean Weiler, he's from Luxembourg but has a storage fascility in Bitburg.

BTW I know of another G-13, in running condition, close to Karlsrue. They just don't want to go public with the collection.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:52 am
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- Massimo_Foti

- r/n 78012
Army base, Vugelles (Switzerland)
Used as monument, maybe we could catch it on satellite photos


for sure there is a Centurion there :




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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:49 pm
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Hi,

Wow, what a gorgeous location! You won't find a lot of AFVs displayed in such scenic surroundings. I would be hard pressed not to be distracted from the tank...maybe a bikini model on the fender would help us to focus on the vehicle? Cool

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:58 pm
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- Massimo
- r/n 78058
Bitburg (Germany) – running condition
Anybody can help on this?


This could be the one from Jean Weiler, he's from Luxembourg but has a storage fascility in Bitburg.


Well, Jean Weiler's G-13 apparently had the RN M-78195 before being repainted, so this doesn't seem to be the same one.

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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 7:33 am
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Is that a new one or just without camouflage?

Photo was taken on Thunder Over Michigan 2008

picasaweb.google.com/d...4636290562
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- bialy-r
Is that a new one or just without camouflage?

Photo was taken on Thunder Over Michigan 2008

picasaweb.google.com/d...4636290562


I would say that it is the same than this one :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/beamjockey/2932939983/in/set-72157607559463281/

but before getting its camouflage paintjob.
If you look very well to the side skirts, you will see that they have the same hits and are lightly twisted at the same place.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:29 am
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Two weeks ago I was in Burgdorf, for Armeemuseum's first open day. Plenty of people, just a few hours and an amazing collection, but I managed to grab quite a few shots. The G-13s over there were:

- G-13 M-78003
- G-13 M-78022
- G-13 M-78029

Out of the other G-13s reported at Armeemuseum, I guess one could be now in Schaffausen, replacing 78029, but I am just guessing. I hope to check there next month.

I collected a dozen shots of the tanks above, for Pierre-Olivier and anybody who can be interested. It's a 12 Mb download:
www.massimocorner.com/...rgdorf.zip

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:47 am
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I noticed that you don't have the G13 in the collection here at Ft Knox.

It is 'redressed' as a Hetzer, but it is in reality a G13.

It has been a runner for many years & was on display in the Museum. Currently it is in Richardson Motor Pool. It will be transported to Ft Benning with the rest of the Armor Museum collection,.....eventually.

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