±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 466
Total: 466
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Photo Gallery
03: Community Forums
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Home
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: CPGlang
13: Community Forums
14: Photo Gallery
15: Photo Gallery
16: Member Screenshots
17: Community Forums
18: News Archive
19: Home
20: Photo Gallery
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Home
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Photo Gallery
32: Home
33: Home
34: Photo Gallery
35: Home
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Community Forums
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: Home
43: Home
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Photo Gallery
49: Home
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Downloads
53: Photo Gallery
54: CPGlang
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Downloads
59: Downloads
60: Photo Gallery
61: Community Forums
62: CPGlang
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Home
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: CPGlang
70: Photo Gallery
71: Downloads
72: Downloads
73: Community Forums
74: Photo Gallery
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Member Screenshots
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Home
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Downloads
95: Home
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Photo Gallery
102: Photo Gallery
103: Downloads
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Member Screenshots
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Photo Gallery
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Photo Gallery
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Member Screenshots
143: Community Forums
144: Photo Gallery
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Home
154: Photo Gallery
155: Community Forums
156: Photo Gallery
157: Community Forums
158: Photo Gallery
159: Photo Gallery
160: Community Forums
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Your Account
164: Photo Gallery
165: Downloads
166: Photo Gallery
167: Community Forums
168: Photo Gallery
169: CPGlang
170: Photo Gallery
171: CPGlang
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Photo Gallery
175: Home
176: Community Forums
177: Home
178: CPGlang
179: Photo Gallery
180: Home
181: Home
182: Community Forums
183: Photo Gallery
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Home
190: Photo Gallery
191: Statistics
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: News Archive
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Home
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Home
207: Photo Gallery
208: Home
209: Photo Gallery
210: Photo Gallery
211: Downloads
212: Community Forums
213: Home
214: Community Forums
215: Photo Gallery
216: Community Forums
217: Downloads
218: CPGlang
219: Community Forums
220: Member Screenshots
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Photo Gallery
224: Home
225: Photo Gallery
226: Community Forums
227: Downloads
228: Photo Gallery
229: Community Forums
230: Downloads
231: CPGlang
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Member Screenshots
237: Community Forums
238: Photo Gallery
239: Community Forums
240: Photo Gallery
241: Community Forums
242: Member Screenshots
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: CPGlang
247: Home
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Member Screenshots
257: Community Forums
258: Photo Gallery
259: Photo Gallery
260: CPGlang
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Photo Gallery
273: Home
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Photo Gallery
277: Home
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Home
281: Community Forums
282: Downloads
283: Community Forums
284: Photo Gallery
285: Home
286: Community Forums
287: Home
288: Home
289: CPGlang
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: CPGlang
294: Home
295: Home
296: Photo Gallery
297: CPGlang
298: Community Forums
299: Downloads
300: Photo Gallery
301: Home
302: Photo Gallery
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Home
306: Photo Gallery
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Photo Gallery
310: Photo Gallery
311: CPGlang
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Home
318: Home
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Home
330: Home
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Statistics
334: Home
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Home
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Member Screenshots
341: Photo Gallery
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Downloads
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: CPGlang
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Member Screenshots
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Photo Gallery
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Home
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Photo Gallery
363: Member Screenshots
364: Community Forums
365: Photo Gallery
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Home
370: Downloads
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Photo Gallery
379: Photo Gallery
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Home
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Home
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Downloads
392: Photo Gallery
393: Photo Gallery
394: Community Forums
395: Home
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: CPGlang
400: Home
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: CPGlang
405: Photo Gallery
406: Photo Gallery
407: Photo Gallery
408: Home
409: Home
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: CPGlang
422: Community Forums
423: Downloads
424: Home
425: Community Forums
426: Home
427: Photo Gallery
428: Home
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Home
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Member Screenshots
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Member Screenshots
443: CPGlang
444: Home
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Photo Gallery
448: Photo Gallery
449: Community Forums
450: News Archive
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: CPGlang
454: Community Forums
455: Photo Gallery
456: Home
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Photo Gallery
460: Photo Gallery
461: CPGlang
462: Photo Gallery
463: Home
464: Community Forums
465: Photo Gallery
466: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
The Aberdeen museum is moving to Fort Lee
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:16 pm
Post subject: The Aberdeen museum is moving to Fort Lee

Here I found some informations about the Aberdeen museum being moved to Fort Lee.
Who can confirm this information?

www.wehrmacht-awards.c...p?t=163961

I hope they will be able to move the Ferdinant and the Jagdtiger.. they will maybe have some fun with it..

Pierre-Olivier
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:44 pm
Post subject: Re: The Aberdeen museum is moving to Fort Lee

Pierre-Olivier, thanks for posting the link, I hadnt seen that article yet. Below is a link to the best summary I have come across of the situation, we've been discussing it for some time actually.

www.com-central.net/in...pic&t=3355

Here's a link to some pics I took of where the museum might be located:
www.com-central.net/in...pic&t=3858

Neil

By MARK YOST
The Wall Street Journal
May 25, 2006; Page D8
Aberdeen, Md.
When the Base Realignment and Closure Commission announces that your military base has to close, it's usually greeted as bad news. Jobs will be lost, families uprooted; the environmental cleanup costs can be enormous. But in the case of the Aberdeen Proving Ground, home to the U.S. Army Ordnance Museum (www.ordmusfound.org), it's a blessing in disguise.
Opened in 1925, the museum was initially supplied with weapons from around the world that were tested at the proving ground. Once established, the museum was able to build an impressive collection of U.S., allied and enemy weapons.
Some of the many tanks the museum has on display.
Its shortcoming is that the museum is squeezed into an undersized building on a post more often associated with developing new weapons than preserving old ones. As a result, museum curator Jack Atwater, who has a doctorate in history from Duke and has been here for 17 years, can display only 5% of the collection he oversees. That's a shame, because he has much to show the museum's visitors, who number about 35,000 a year.
Even if you've never been to the base, the museum is easy to find. It's the small building in the middle of a field surrounded by about three dozen tanks, cannons and artillery pieces. Such as the 500-ton coastal defense gun. It and other 100-ton objects will be a logistical nightmare to move. They are too heavy for the interstate, so Mr. Atwater will either move them by rail or float them by barge to the proposed new museum site at Fort Lee outside Petersburg, Va. There's also the 280mm "Atomic Cannon," a Cold War weapon that was designed to fire tactical (that means close-range) nuclear warheads at the Soviets as they theoretically advanced from Eastern Europe into Germany.
In the tank department, which makes up the bulk of the large items on display, there's the 30-ton 1917 Mark IV, one of the first tanks ever made (and one of only three left in the world). The World War I British tank had a top speed of 3.75 miles an hour and traveled two miles on a gallon of gas. There's also a World War II-vintage Sherman tank. As the placard notes: "The M4 was the principal U.S. combat tank in all combat zones for most of WW II. Though undergunned (75mm) and under armored compared to German tanks, the Shermans prevailed by their numerical superiority (estimated 50,000)."
The Atomic Cannon, a Cold War weapon that was designed to protect Germany from a Soviet invasion.
While this collection is mostly made up of U.S. weapons, many of our former enemies are well represented. There's a 1943 German Panzerkampfwagen V Panther, "considered the best of the German WW II tanks," the museum tells us. "It had superior firepower and mobility over allied tanks of the same period."
The fact that many of these pieces have been sitting in a field for decades presents a problem.
"No one's ever thought to do regular maintenance on them," Mr. Atwater said during a recent tour. "Most of these pieces, many of them the only ones of their kind left in the world, are literally rotting where they sit."
So Mr. Atwater has set up a workshop nearby where many of the tanks and other large pieces -- he has 240 of them -- are going through an extensive rehabilitation process. He also uses the shop to refabricate new additions to the museum that come to him in less than pristine condition.
Recently, a Russian T-55 tank was sitting outside the shop, ready to go back on display. Typical of the problems Mr. Atwater must remedy, it had layers and layers of lead-based paint. Mr. Atwater's armor artisans pull these mechanized monsters into a special booth and blast them with water pressurized to 43,000 pounds per square inch. That removes the paint (and could remove your leg, Mr. Atwater says with a chuckle), exposing bare metal. It is then flash-dried and repainted in historically accurate colors and paint schemes. Mr. Atwater's crew also has to remove the radium-coated dials and drain the oil, which often contains polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs, a family of 209 chemical compounds that were used in industry until they were found to be highly toxic.
"My watch emits more radiation, but the environmental weenies tell me they're a hazard," the former Marine says of the glow-in-the-dark dials.
The T-55 looks like it just came off the production line, ready to hold off the Germans at Stalingrad. It's in marked contrast to a World War II British Vickers reconnaissance vehicle that just came to the shop. The floorboards are rotted out; there's a big hole in the front that exposes the cockpit. When Mr. Atwater's men are done, it'll look as good as new.
Our next stop is one of three large storage warehouses. This is where Mr. Atwater keeps the pieces that have been rehabbed but he doesn't have room to display. The collection is impressive and includes Pershing's staff car from World War I, as well as a VW-made Nazi SS staff car used in North Africa in World War II. It has a propeller on the back that's flipped up. Mr. Atwater flips it down and shows how it can engage a power takeoff drive -- like on modern-day tractors -- that drives the propeller so that the car can go through shallow rivers.
"The SS got the cool stuff," he says.
Also stored here are row upon row of inert hand grenades, fuses and shells. Some of the material is educational, such as a cut-away of a World War II German "potato masher" grenade that shows how it was constructed and used.
"I simply don't have the room to display this stuff," Mr. Atwater said.
That will all change when the museum moves to its new digs at Fort Lee. The expanded museum is expected to have room to display almost everything in the collection. The move is slated for 2009, but having worked for the government for more than two decades, Mr. Atwater thinks it will be later than that.
For now, the public will have to be satisfied with the cramped space and open field that do a very good job of giving visitors a good cross-section of some of the military's biggest -- and most lethal -- weapons.
Mr. Yost is a writer in Lake Elmo, Minn.
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:59 pm
Post subject: Re: The Aberdeen museum is moving to Fort Lee

Sorry Neil, I didn't see that there was a topic about that before.. However, it's a good thing that the entire Aberdeen AFV collection will be in a safe place, and be able to be restored..

Pierre-Olivier
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:09 pm
Post subject: Re: The Aberdeen museum is moving to Fort Lee

Ferdinand shouldn't be a problem It's sitting where it was unloaded from a rail car years ago and can be put right back on one Smile

The article is pretty good. My only complaint is that it is DR. Atwater not Mr. Atwater. He also under estimated the number of exhibits outside the Museum building.

The 16" Coast Defense Gun and Anzio Annie will be problems due to their size. Some other artefacts will be a problem because of their condition, they are very fragile after sitting outside for years (especially some of the rockets and missles they have)

My fear is that when they get the actual costs the bean counters will decide they don't need the entire collection and do something stupid with it or that the move will get half way completed and the funding dry up and things get left in some 'temporary' storage and we won't be any better off than we are now but in a different location.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:13 pm
Post subject: Re: The Aberdeen museum is moving to Fort Lee

My fear is similar, except I'm not sure Fort Lee has the same kind of storage space as APG does. My fear is that come 10 years from now part of the collection will be at the new museum at Fort Lee, some of it will still be sitting outside the old museum at APG, and some more items will still be "behind the fence" at APG...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum