±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 349
Total: 349
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Downloads
07: Your Account
08: Photo Gallery
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Home
13: News
14: Home
15: Community Forums
16: Statistics
17: Community Forums
18: CPGlang
19: Downloads
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Statistics
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: CPGlang
26: Home
27: Home
28: Community Forums
29: Home
30: Photo Gallery
31: Home
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Home
35: Community Forums
36: News
37: CPGlang
38: Home
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Home
42: Home
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Member Screenshots
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Home
51: Photo Gallery
52: Downloads
53: Home
54: Downloads
55: Downloads
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Member Screenshots
60: Home
61: Community Forums
62: Your Account
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Photo Gallery
67: Community Forums
68: CPGlang
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Member Screenshots
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Photo Gallery
75: Photo Gallery
76: Community Forums
77: Photo Gallery
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Downloads
82: Community Forums
83: Photo Gallery
84: Downloads
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: CPGlang
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Photo Gallery
92: Home
93: Home
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Photo Gallery
97: Home
98: Home
99: Statistics
100: Home
101: CPGlang
102: Home
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Member Screenshots
106: Community Forums
107: Home
108: Member Screenshots
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Home
113: Home
114: Member Screenshots
115: CPGlang
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: CPGlang
121: Photo Gallery
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Downloads
129: Photo Gallery
130: Photo Gallery
131: Photo Gallery
132: Downloads
133: Home
134: Home
135: Photo Gallery
136: Downloads
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: CPGlang
141: Community Forums
142: Member Screenshots
143: Downloads
144: Member Screenshots
145: Photo Gallery
146: Photo Gallery
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Photo Gallery
150: Community Forums
151: Downloads
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Photo Gallery
155: Home
156: Community Forums
157: Downloads
158: Home
159: Downloads
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: CPGlang
163: Home
164: Downloads
165: Community Forums
166: Member Screenshots
167: Community Forums
168: Downloads
169: News Archive
170: Home
171: Community Forums
172: Downloads
173: Downloads
174: Photo Gallery
175: Photo Gallery
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Photo Gallery
182: Community Forums
183: Member Screenshots
184: Community Forums
185: Downloads
186: Home
187: News Archive
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Photo Gallery
191: CPGlang
192: Community Forums
193: Home
194: Home
195: Downloads
196: Home
197: Photo Gallery
198: Your Account
199: Home
200: Home
201: Downloads
202: Member Screenshots
203: Home
204: Community Forums
205: Home
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Photo Gallery
214: Community Forums
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Home
218: Member Screenshots
219: Community Forums
220: Member Screenshots
221: Photo Gallery
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Home
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Photo Gallery
228: Home
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Home
233: Community Forums
234: Downloads
235: Downloads
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Home
239: Home
240: Community Forums
241: Home
242: Home
243: Home
244: CPGlang
245: Downloads
246: Member Screenshots
247: Photo Gallery
248: Community Forums
249: Photo Gallery
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Photo Gallery
253: Member Screenshots
254: Downloads
255: Community Forums
256: Downloads
257: Downloads
258: Downloads
259: Downloads
260: Member Screenshots
261: Home
262: CPGlang
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Community Forums
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Home
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Home
276: Community Forums
277: Home
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Photo Gallery
281: Photo Gallery
282: Photo Gallery
283: Home
284: Downloads
285: Community Forums
286: Downloads
287: Community Forums
288: News Archive
289: Photo Gallery
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Downloads
293: Downloads
294: Home
295: Community Forums
296: Member Screenshots
297: Community Forums
298: Statistics
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Home
302: Downloads
303: CPGlang
304: Downloads
305: Community Forums
306: Home
307: Home
308: Downloads
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Home
312: Community Forums
313: Photo Gallery
314: Photo Gallery
315: Home
316: Photo Gallery
317: Home
318: Home
319: Home
320: Community Forums
321: News
322: Photo Gallery
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Home
326: Community Forums
327: Home
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Home
332: Community Forums
333: Member Screenshots
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Downloads
337: Downloads
338: Community Forums
339: Photo Gallery
340: Statistics
341: Home
342: Home
343: Statistics
344: Photo Gallery
345: Photo Gallery
346: Community Forums
347: Member Screenshots
348: Community Forums
349: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Anzio Annie Dismantled
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:58 am
Post subject: Anzio Annie Dismantled

www.exploreharford.com...aving-apg/

Anzio Annie leaving APG
Seized from Germany after World War II, legendary gun on its way to Fort Lee, Va.

BY KIRSTEN DIZE
Posted 11/19/10

Aberdeen Proving Ground will soon be losing a piece of history — one of the biggest cannons ever built.

The German built K5 long gun that saw service in World War II and later became a major APG attraction was being dismantled this week in preparation for moving it to its future home.

Aberdeen Proving Ground has housed the U.S. Army’s Ordnance School since the 1920s, according to George Mercer, chief of public affairs at APG.

“One of the major missions here, from the 1920s until next year, was to train the Army’s mechanics and maintenance people,” Mercer said. “One of the ways we train those ordnance soldiers is to train them on their heritage.”

Soldiers examined old weapons and learned about how they evolved over the years, Mercer said. Because of that educational role, APG accumulated weapons over the years, and eventually turned the collection into the U.S. Army Ordnance Museum.

The museum became a major Maryland attraction until the post’s security was tightened following the 9/11 terror attacks and public visits were all but ended for several years.

As part of the BRAC relocations, the Ordnance Center and School is moving to Fort Lee, Va. The museum is moving with the school.

“That’s why we’re moving at least part of the collection to Fort Lee,” Mercer said.

Along with the museum goes Anzio Annie, a large railway mounted gun used at the Battle for Anzio Hill in Italy during World War II.

“We captured it and it ended up at the Ordnance Museum,” Mercer said.

With the significant recoil and easy transport in mind, the large guns were mounted on rails.

“It’s probably among the biggest cannons ever built,” Mercer said.

The gun has been dismantled and will soon make the move to Fort Lee.

Mercer said he is not sure the exact date or means with which the heavy piece of equipment will make the trip.

He said the original concept was to move the pieces by truck, but the weight of the pieces may be too much for that option to work. Anzio Annie may have to be moved in separate pieces by rail, he said.

In the meantime the large, historical weapon remains dismantled on post, its parts awaiting their transport south.


Last edited by Neil_Baumgardner on Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:30 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:17 am
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

"Anzio Hill", "Probably among the biggest cannons built"
Who wrote this crap?
Why doesn't the PR man know anything about the collection?
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:38 am
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

I take it Bob won't be hauling it down in his pickup? Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
VonForhud
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 17, 2010
Posts: 162

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

I wonder what happened to the other gun, they found? Robert? Leopold is on display and is going to be moved. But what about Robert?

_________________
hvasnakkerduom.blogspo...wagen.html
Back to top
View user's profile
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

There is another K5e displayed at the Batterie Todt, Audinghen, Pas-de-Calais.

www.batterietodt.com/
web.ukonline.co.uk/gaz/bt.html
It notes that parts of the two guns taken to the US were combined to form the one now displayed.
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

The only other surviving K5 I am aware of is in France.
Back to top
View user's profile
VonForhud
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 17, 2010
Posts: 162

PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:50 am
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

So they just scrapped the rest of Robert/Express when rebuilding Leopold/Annie?

_________________
hvasnakkerduom.blogspo...wagen.html
Back to top
View user's profile
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

Looks that way, one (both?) gun was disabled by its crew prior to capture.
The info on the following link suggests this is the case.
web.ukonline.co.uk/gaz/k5.html
Back to top
View user's profile
SteamTank
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 20, 2010
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

Here is another article on the K5 recent move www.ftleetraveller.com...002e0.html As of yesterday Dec 2 the carriage minus the guntube is visible from the road running in front of Fort Lee
Back to top
View user's profile
VonForhud
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 17, 2010
Posts: 162

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

Okay this MIGHT be a stupid question, but why dont they just put it on a railway? To move it. It is a railway gun after all? Its German engineering a bit of grease and shes a runner.

_________________
hvasnakkerduom.blogspo...wagen.html
Back to top
View user's profile
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:32 pm
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

Probably the usual problem with a railway, does it go near where you are and where you want to go?
If you've got to dismantle it to get it to and from the railway, you might as well just truck it the whole way.
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

At the Aberdeen end Annie sat right next to the branch line into the base. I believe the problem was old age and deterioration of the equipment. I was told that Siemans ((the followon company to the one that built Annie's brake system) looked at it and was considering fixing the brake system so it could be used for the move. I suspect that when they looked at the entire system the rebuild of the brakes, bearings, trucks and support structure, was just to big of a job. There is also the fact that railroads are very reluctant to allow unusual equipment on their tracks because of liability requirements. So it might have been the CSX system (The most logical rail company to move it on) simply told them they could do it or that there had to be a huge payment as well as a pretty broad assumption of liability that made the move prohibitive

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

Way back when, Dr Rainer told me they couldnt move it via rail without lowering the barrel (which raises many of the same issues Bob mentioned) due to the tunnels between APG and Fort Lee. The "original" plan he had was to put it on a boat and sail it up the James river to Fort Lee.

Neil


Last edited by Neil_Baumgardner on Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:46 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

Might also have been a curve radius issue on the rails between Aberdeen and Ft. Lee

_________________
The only good skwerril is a dead un
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:27 am
Post subject: Re: Harford Aegis: Anzio Annie Dismantled

I found some pictures of the move from the APG Newspaper

www.apgnews.apg.army.m...ov2410.pdf

www.apgnews.apg.army.m...ec0210.pdf

Neil

APG bids farewell to Anzio Annie

Story and photo by
YVONNE JOHNSON
APG News
In 1945 President Franklin D. Roosevelt died after 12 years in office, linoleum kitchen rugs were all the rage, and a gallon of gasoline cost 15 cents.

It was also the year Anzio Annie became the star of the Ordnance Museum at Aberdeen Proving Ground.

Annie is the Krupp K5 German heavy railway gun famous for the shelling of Allied Forces at the Anzio beachhead in Italy during World War II.

Hailed as one of the largest land-based cannons ever built, Annie was discovered by Allied troops on a railroad siding outside of Rome in 1944 and was shipped to the Ordnance Museum the following year.

After a 65-year stay at APG, Annie was disassembled during the week of Nov. 15 in preparation for her move to the new home of Ordnance at Fort Lee, Va.

The Meadow Lark Transportation Company and the A&A Rigging Company conducted the dismantling and loading of Annie, under the supervision of museum director Christopher Semancik and logisticians from the Ordnance School’s Base Realignment and Closure Office and the garrison’s Directorate of Logistics.

The job required not only skill but innovation. During the dismantling process, riggers were forced to create a tool to remove rusted bolts that were resisting up to 50,000 pounds of pressure from hydraulic jacks.

It took more than two days to remove the pins from Annie’s undercarriage.

“We knew there’d be hurdles,” said Tom Anhalt, A&A Rigging sales manager. “You always expect them in a job this size.”

A 200-ton and a 130-ton crane were needed to lift Annie’s gun tube. When it was found to weigh more than expected—in excess of 200,000 pounds—it was determined that it would travel to Virginia by railcar.

Contractor Robert Cade, owner of Meadow Lark, said the operation was more material- than time-sensitive. “You can’t rush these things, especially when you’re dealing with one-of-a-kind items like this,” Cade said. “We have to get it right the first time.”

With the relocation of the Ordnance Museum, plans continue for the opening of the APG Museum in 2011.

The new museum will house artifacts and historical items of Aberdeen Proving Ground and the U.S. Army Communications-Electronics Command, which relocated at APG from Fort Monmouth, N.J.
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum