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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:17 am
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Did any tracked Saurer vehicle ever entered service with Austrian Army?

Yes, the 4K3FA and the 4K4FA, in many variants, too: APC, mortar carrier, ambulance, signals, command and let's not forget the SK-105 and the Greif ARV. They were built by Steyr, but they were of Saurer design.
And the Oerlikon 80mm rocket launcher turret has been applied mostly experimentally to a variety of vehicles: Tornado, Saurer, Piranha, Grenadier, VXB, HS-30, and the list goes on. The US Navy even trialed it on a Nasty PTF in Vietnam.

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Thun. Panzermuseum
- Costas_TT Yes, the 4K3FA and the 4K4FA, in many variants, too: APC, mortar carrier, ambulance, signals, command and let's not forget the SK-105 and the Greif ARV. They were built by Steyr, but they were of Saurer design. I see now, I assumed they were from Steyr, never realized before they were designed by Saurer. Thanks! Massimo

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Thun. Panzermuseum
Ex-Canadian Centurion with pretty cool camo: Centurion Mk III by Massimo Foti, on Flickr

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Thun. Panzermuseum
Fliegerabwehrpanzer 68 M-0888 Two prototypes built, mounting a Gepard's turret over a Pz 68 chassis. It never entered in active service. This is the only survivor Fliegerabwehrpanzer 68 M-0888 by Massimo Foti, on Flickr

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Thun. Panzermuseum
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Thun. Panzermuseum
M7 Priest by Massimo Foti, on Flickr

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Thun. Panzermuseum
M4A4 by Massimo Foti, on Flickr

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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:12 pm
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Ex-Canadian Centurion with pretty cool camo:

Centurion Mk III by Massimo Foti, on Flickr

... Massimo, are you sure this is an ex-Canadian tank? However, if it is, it didn't serve in the Swiss Army. According to my source all South African and Canadian Centurions were either sold outside Switzerland or scrapped.

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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Thun. Panzermuseum
- zemsi ... Massimo, are you sure this is an ex-Canadian tank? However, if it is, it didn't serve in the Swiss Army. According to my source all South African and Canadian Centurions were either sold outside Switzerland or scrapped. The Museum's info plate says it's one of the 20 ex-canadian Centurions that were acquired in 1978 for spare parts. That's all the info I have. Massimo

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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:02 pm
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... hmm, there were 12 Canadian Centurions (Mark 7, with reinforced front plate), starting number (most likely) M+78900.

In the official tank museum brochure is written (page 63), that as you said, 20 were bought in 1978 for spare parts. 4 turrets were salvaged for the shooting simulator ELSAP.

I didn't know some were bought for spare parts too. I'll ask my friend.

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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Canadian Centurions
... according to "Die Panzer der Schweizer Armee 1920 - 2008" twelve Canadian Centurions Mark 12 were bought in 1971. Numbers M+78900 to 11. If any Swiss Panzer-Aficionado wants a copy of that book (German only, loads of pics and technical data), let me know. I know the book writer/publisher. Greetings Chris _________________ www.wheelsandtracks.com and my pics on flickr

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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Thun. Panzermuseum
The Centurion mk.3 had registration 6-4512 which looks like a Canadian registration. Regards Lesley

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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:12 pm
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- zemsi

If any Swiss Panzer-Aficionado wants a copy of that book (German only, loads of pics and technical data), let me know. I know the book writer/publisher.

I, for one, would certainly appreciate a copy. Even though I speak no German, I can understand a lot of the terminology. But in order not to hijack the thread, I suggest we continue the discussion via private messages.
Costas.

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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Thun. Panzermuseum
Since the thread is gaining traction. Here is the Mowag Pirat mentioned by Costas. It was evaluated by Swiss Army but in the end the M113 was adopted. It was evaluated by Italian Army too but, once again, the M113 was acquired instead. Hope the "pole" shot gives a better idea of the top layout Mowag 3M1 Pirat 18 by Massimo Foti, on Flickr

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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Thun. Panzermuseum
A Swiss Centurion. With Alps as background Centurion M-78749 by Massimo Foti, on Flickr

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