±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 788
Total: 788
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Downloads
08: Photo Gallery
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Downloads
13: Home
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Home
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Home
24: Home
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: CPGlang
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Photo Gallery
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Member Screenshots
40: Community Forums
41: Home
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Home
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Your Account
48: Photo Gallery
49: Community Forums
50: Your Account
51: Home
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Home
56: Community Forums
57: Your Account
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Your Account
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Your Account
68: Community Forums
69: Home
70: Downloads
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Photo Gallery
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Home
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Your Account
87: Community Forums
88: Home
89: Home
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Member Screenshots
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Your Account
100: Community Forums
101: Photo Gallery
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Photo Gallery
105: Photo Gallery
106: Photo Gallery
107: Photo Gallery
108: Member Screenshots
109: Community Forums
110: Home
111: Photo Gallery
112: News Archive
113: Community Forums
114: Your Account
115: Community Forums
116: Photo Gallery
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Photo Gallery
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Photo Gallery
123: Downloads
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Photo Gallery
129: Home
130: Photo Gallery
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Photo Gallery
138: Photo Gallery
139: Community Forums
140: Home
141: Downloads
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Home
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Home
152: Home
153: Home
154: Community Forums
155: Home
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Home
160: Photo Gallery
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Downloads
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Home
172: Home
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Downloads
182: Photo Gallery
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: CPGlang
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: CPGlang
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Photo Gallery
196: Community Forums
197: Home
198: Community Forums
199: Home
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Photo Gallery
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Home
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Community Forums
214: Photo Gallery
215: Community Forums
216: Photo Gallery
217: CPGlang
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Photo Gallery
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Photo Gallery
228: Statistics
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Photo Gallery
232: Your Account
233: Home
234: Your Account
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: CPGlang
239: Home
240: Photo Gallery
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: Photo Gallery
244: Photo Gallery
245: Community Forums
246: Photo Gallery
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Photo Gallery
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Member Screenshots
261: Photo Gallery
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Member Screenshots
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Home
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Home
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Downloads
280: Home
281: Photo Gallery
282: Photo Gallery
283: Home
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Photo Gallery
288: Your Account
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Home
299: Community Forums
300: Home
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Photo Gallery
305: Downloads
306: Photo Gallery
307: Photo Gallery
308: Community Forums
309: Home
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Photo Gallery
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Member Screenshots
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Home
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Photo Gallery
330: Community Forums
331: Photo Gallery
332: Member Screenshots
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Photo Gallery
341: Community Forums
342: Home
343: Community Forums
344: Home
345: Downloads
346: CPGlang
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Downloads
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Home
357: Community Forums
358: Member Screenshots
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Downloads
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Photo Gallery
368: Community Forums
369: Home
370: Community Forums
371: Photo Gallery
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Member Screenshots
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Home
382: Home
383: Community Forums
384: Home
385: Community Forums
386: Home
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Your Account
392: Photo Gallery
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Home
396: Downloads
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Photo Gallery
401: Home
402: Community Forums
403: Member Screenshots
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Photo Gallery
413: Photo Gallery
414: Photo Gallery
415: Community Forums
416: Home
417: Photo Gallery
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Photo Gallery
427: Photo Gallery
428: Home
429: Photo Gallery
430: Community Forums
431: Your Account
432: Home
433: Community Forums
434: Home
435: Community Forums
436: Home
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Downloads
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Photo Gallery
451: Photo Gallery
452: Community Forums
453: Photo Gallery
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Downloads
461: Community Forums
462: Statistics
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Home
466: Member Screenshots
467: Photo Gallery
468: Member Screenshots
469: Photo Gallery
470: Home
471: Home
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Home
476: Home
477: Home
478: Home
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Photo Gallery
484: News Archive
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Photo Gallery
490: Member Screenshots
491: Community Forums
492: Statistics
493: Community Forums
494: Your Account
495: Photo Gallery
496: Photo Gallery
497: Photo Gallery
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Your Account
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Home
517: Photo Gallery
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Photo Gallery
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Downloads
526: Home
527: Community Forums
528: Home
529: Your Account
530: Photo Gallery
531: Photo Gallery
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Photo Gallery
535: Photo Gallery
536: Community Forums
537: News Archive
538: Member Screenshots
539: Community Forums
540: Photo Gallery
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Downloads
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Photo Gallery
555: Photo Gallery
556: Community Forums
557: Photo Gallery
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: Downloads
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Home
564: Community Forums
565: Home
566: Home
567: Your Account
568: Community Forums
569: Photo Gallery
570: Downloads
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Home
575: Home
576: Photo Gallery
577: Photo Gallery
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Home
585: Photo Gallery
586: Downloads
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Downloads
593: Photo Gallery
594: Community Forums
595: Photo Gallery
596: Community Forums
597: Photo Gallery
598: Photo Gallery
599: Community Forums
600: Your Account
601: Community Forums
602: Photo Gallery
603: Community Forums
604: Home
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Your Account
608: CPGlang
609: Community Forums
610: Home
611: Photo Gallery
612: Photo Gallery
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Home
618: Home
619: News Archive
620: Community Forums
621: Photo Gallery
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Home
626: Home
627: Community Forums
628: Downloads
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Home
635: Community Forums
636: Downloads
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: Community Forums
640: Photo Gallery
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Home
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Member Screenshots
652: Community Forums
653: Photo Gallery
654: Photo Gallery
655: Community Forums
656: Community Forums
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Photo Gallery
660: Photo Gallery
661: Photo Gallery
662: Photo Gallery
663: CPGlang
664: Member Screenshots
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: Community Forums
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Community Forums
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Downloads
676: Community Forums
677: Home
678: Community Forums
679: Downloads
680: Community Forums
681: Home
682: Photo Gallery
683: Community Forums
684: Photo Gallery
685: Community Forums
686: Home
687: Community Forums
688: Community Forums
689: Community Forums
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Downloads
696: Home
697: Home
698: Community Forums
699: Community Forums
700: Home
701: Home
702: Home
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Community Forums
706: Community Forums
707: Community Forums
708: Community Forums
709: Community Forums
710: Community Forums
711: Community Forums
712: Photo Gallery
713: Community Forums
714: Community Forums
715: Community Forums
716: Community Forums
717: Photo Gallery
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Community Forums
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Photo Gallery
725: Community Forums
726: Community Forums
727: Photo Gallery
728: Photo Gallery
729: Home
730: Your Account
731: Community Forums
732: Community Forums
733: Community Forums
734: Community Forums
735: Photo Gallery
736: Community Forums
737: Community Forums
738: Community Forums
739: Photo Gallery
740: Community Forums
741: Community Forums
742: Community Forums
743: Community Forums
744: Community Forums
745: Home
746: Community Forums
747: Home
748: Community Forums
749: Photo Gallery
750: Photo Gallery
751: Community Forums
752: Community Forums
753: Community Forums
754: Community Forums
755: News
756: Home
757: Photo Gallery
758: Community Forums
759: Home
760: Photo Gallery
761: Community Forums
762: Downloads
763: Community Forums
764: Community Forums
765: Community Forums
766: Home
767: Community Forums
768: News Archive
769: Home
770: Community Forums
771: News Archive
772: Home
773: Home
774: Community Forums
775: Community Forums
776: Your Account
777: Photo Gallery
778: Photo Gallery
779: Community Forums
780: Community Forums
781: Community Forums
782: Photo Gallery
783: Community Forums
784: Statistics
785: Community Forums
786: Community Forums
787: Community Forums
788: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
APG PzKpfw III N
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 9:57 pm
Post subject: APG PzKpfw III N

According to Trevor's preservedtanks.com site and Surviving Panzers site, the former APG Panzer III N with turret schurzen is described as being recovered in Germany post-war. Does anyone know where this information came from? Was there anything about exact location, unit etc.?

Thanks,
Garry

_________________
armorfortheages.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 12:40 am
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

It was probably in the vehicle file at the APG Museum. Each artifact had a folder filed by acquisition number that had the museums records for that artifact. Some folders were better than others. I have some other older record stashed away on my computers. I'll see what I can dig up.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:09 pm
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

Hi Bob.
Just wondering if you have had any luck finding out anything on the origins of the Pz III N.

Thanks,
Garry

_________________
armorfortheages.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:12 pm
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

Haven't found my old files yet. A lot of the German 'stuff' came from a depot/testing grounds that was captured at the end of the war. The name escapes me (I think begins with an H) it could have very likely come from there.

I wonder what happened to the vehicle files/folders from APG? Are they at Ft Lee? It would be a shame if they were lost.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:44 pm
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

I don't know. They aren't at Benning. If they were available, I think NACM director Len Dyer would have requested them. I hope they were transferred to Fort Lee and not to the land fill.

Thanks,
Garry

_________________
armorfortheages.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:57 pm
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

Hillerslieben?

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:44 am
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

- the_shadock
Hillerslieben?


Sounds right

I also just thought of another source - The old 'Tank Data' books. The data in them was from the APG vehicle data files

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:14 pm
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

It must be Hillersleben instead of Hillerslieben
Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:07 pm
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

From Tank Data.....................Remarks: Specimen from ETO. An expedient to make use of the remaining Panzer III chassis as the Panzer III was becoming obsolete for use as a tank. Only a few vehicles were assembled with this gun.
Back to top
View user's profile
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:35 pm
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

- Garry_Redmon
According to Trevor's preservedtanks.com site and Surviving Panzers site, the former APG Panzer III N with turret schurzen is described as being recovered in Germany post-war. Does anyone know where this information came from? Was there anything about exact location, unit etc.?


I've checked my files (actually old index cards) and I don't have anything more.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:06 pm
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

If it was at Hillersleben Proving Grounds, it may make sense on a couple of features. In an APG photo taken after its arrival, it has its chassis number stenciled on the front plate next to the hull MG. It also has it on the driver's visor. The number 245 is also on the front plate next to the driver's visor. I haven't noticed photos of other German combat vehicles marked this way, so this may be something done at training areas.

It looks as if the chassis number is 74887 or it could be 74883 of maybe it's a 2. It's hard to tell. Anyone know for sure?

_________________
armorfortheages.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
silviop15
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 03, 2015
Posts: 415

PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:52 pm
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

For those who don't know, whats Hillersleben?
Back to top
View user's profile
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 4:13 am
Post subject: Re: APG PzKpfw III N

It was the equivalent of the Aberdeen Proving Grounds for the Germans. New weapons and vehicles were tested there.

I also had a thought about the Pz. IV D with the 75mm L/43 that was at APG that had its gun removed and replaced with the L/24 from the other Pz III N. It may have been from Hillersleben and been a test bed for the long 75. It would also be interesting to find out.

Garry

_________________
armorfortheages.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum