±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 625
Total: 625
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Your Account
07: Community Forums
08: Home
09: Home
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Photo Gallery
13: Community Forums
14: Home
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Downloads
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Community Forums
22: Downloads
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Your Account
29: Community Forums
30: Home
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Downloads
45: Photo Gallery
46: Home
47: Photo Gallery
48: Downloads
49: Community Forums
50: Your Account
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Member Screenshots
55: Community Forums
56: Downloads
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Downloads
60: Home
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Search
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Downloads
74: Home
75: Home
76: Photo Gallery
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Community Forums
80: Downloads
81: Community Forums
82: Home
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Home
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: Community Forums
89: Downloads
90: Photo Gallery
91: Photo Gallery
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Home
95: Photo Gallery
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Downloads
100: Home
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Home
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Home
109: Downloads
110: Member Screenshots
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Member Screenshots
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Photo Gallery
120: Photo Gallery
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: CPGlang
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Photo Gallery
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Downloads
142: Community Forums
143: News
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Statistics
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Downloads
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Home
160: Community Forums
161: Member Screenshots
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Home
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Downloads
169: Community Forums
170: Photo Gallery
171: Downloads
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Home
176: Photo Gallery
177: Community Forums
178: Member Screenshots
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Photo Gallery
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: CPGlang
190: Community Forums
191: CPGlang
192: Photo Gallery
193: Home
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Your Account
197: Photo Gallery
198: Statistics
199: Member Screenshots
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Home
204: Community Forums
205: Your Account
206: Home
207: Photo Gallery
208: Member Screenshots
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Home
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Home
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Downloads
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Downloads
233: Photo Gallery
234: Your Account
235: Community Forums
236: Photo Gallery
237: Community Forums
238: Photo Gallery
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Downloads
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Home
247: Member Screenshots
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Photo Gallery
252: Downloads
253: CPGlang
254: Photo Gallery
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Home
259: Home
260: Home
261: Home
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Home
267: Photo Gallery
268: Photo Gallery
269: Your Account
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Photo Gallery
273: Home
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Photo Gallery
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Your Account
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Photo Gallery
284: Community Forums
285: Photo Gallery
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Photo Gallery
293: Community Forums
294: Photo Gallery
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Home
298: Home
299: Home
300: Member Screenshots
301: Photo Gallery
302: Home
303: Home
304: Home
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Photo Gallery
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Photo Gallery
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Downloads
318: Community Forums
319: Photo Gallery
320: Photo Gallery
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Photo Gallery
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Photo Gallery
327: Community Forums
328: Home
329: Home
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: CPGlang
333: Community Forums
334: Downloads
335: Community Forums
336: Photo Gallery
337: Photo Gallery
338: Home
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Photo Gallery
344: Community Forums
345: Photo Gallery
346: Downloads
347: Photo Gallery
348: Member Screenshots
349: Community Forums
350: Photo Gallery
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Photo Gallery
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Home
363: Community Forums
364: Downloads
365: Community Forums
366: Downloads
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Home
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Photo Gallery
380: Member Screenshots
381: Photo Gallery
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Home
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Photo Gallery
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Home
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Photo Gallery
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Home
403: Community Forums
404: Member Screenshots
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Photo Gallery
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: CPGlang
412: Downloads
413: Photo Gallery
414: Photo Gallery
415: Home
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Photo Gallery
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Downloads
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Downloads
431: Community Forums
432: Home
433: Community Forums
434: Photo Gallery
435: Photo Gallery
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Photo Gallery
439: Home
440: Downloads
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Photo Gallery
444: Photo Gallery
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Photo Gallery
450: Your Account
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Home
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Downloads
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Home
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Home
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Photo Gallery
469: Member Screenshots
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Photo Gallery
474: Home
475: Community Forums
476: Home
477: Community Forums
478: CPGlang
479: Community Forums
480: Home
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: News Archive
484: Community Forums
485: Home
486: Community Forums
487: Your Account
488: Home
489: Community Forums
490: Member Screenshots
491: Community Forums
492: Photo Gallery
493: Community Forums
494: Photo Gallery
495: Home
496: Home
497: Home
498: Community Forums
499: CPGlang
500: Community Forums
501: Downloads
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Photo Gallery
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Your Account
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Photo Gallery
513: Photo Gallery
514: Community Forums
515: Member Screenshots
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Photo Gallery
520: Home
521: Community Forums
522: Home
523: CPGlang
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Member Screenshots
528: Your Account
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Photo Gallery
532: Home
533: Community Forums
534: Downloads
535: Downloads
536: Community Forums
537: CPGlang
538: Community Forums
539: Community Forums
540: Photo Gallery
541: Downloads
542: Photo Gallery
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Photo Gallery
546: Community Forums
547: Photo Gallery
548: Your Account
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Your Account
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Photo Gallery
555: Community Forums
556: Your Account
557: Downloads
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Home
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Photo Gallery
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: News
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Photo Gallery
575: Community Forums
576: Photo Gallery
577: Home
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Community Forums
582: Photo Gallery
583: Community Forums
584: Home
585: Photo Gallery
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: CPGlang
589: Photo Gallery
590: Photo Gallery
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: Community Forums
594: Community Forums
595: Your Account
596: Community Forums
597: Community Forums
598: Member Screenshots
599: Community Forums
600: Home
601: Community Forums
602: Home
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Downloads
606: Community Forums
607: Community Forums
608: Home
609: Photo Gallery
610: Photo Gallery
611: Photo Gallery
612: Community Forums
613: Home
614: Community Forums
615: Photo Gallery
616: Home
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Photo Gallery
621: Home
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M113A3 ID
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:44 am
Post subject: M113A3 ID

I was looking a an M113-series vehicle today. It had external fuel tanks and the spall liners inside. I thought that made it an M113A3 but the data plate said A2. It was OD green and looked like it had never been issued to a field unit. Can someone tell me if this is possibly a prototype A3?

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:34 am
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

check this out....

The easiest way besides the external rear fuel cells, kevlar lining & sliding panels, is the drivers controls.

"Steering 'Wheel' = M113A3" AND "old style Laterals = M113 thru M113A2"

Drivers Compartment Image:



M113A3 walk around

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:47 am
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

Additional Info...


M113A2 image
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:45 am
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

Here's a photo of the interior of an M1064 120mm mortar carrier based on the M113A2. From the outside, it looks identical to the M1064A3 carrier based on the M113A3. But when you look at the laterals and external fuel cells, it is apparent that it is an A2 based vehicle.


_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
HellonwheelsV100
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 15, 2007
Posts: 67

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:02 pm
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

Ah yes....
I drove the M113A3 when I was in the Army. Seems like there aren't too many of them around. I always see pics of the A2s, but hardly ever the A3s. Was it due to the Bradley overtaking everything back then?

_________________
Dave C
MVPA, MVCCO
Portland OR
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:59 pm
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

Hi V100! Hi Folks!

- HellonwheelsV100
Ah yes....
I drove the M113A3 when I was in the Army. Seems like there aren't too many of them around. I always see pics of the A2s, but hardly ever the A3s. Was it due to the Bradley overtaking everything back then?


The M113 was used by mech infantry as a 'Battlefield Taxi' and was replaced by the M2 'Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle'. A function that was first used by the Soviets and their BMP vehicle. Followed by the West Germans and their Marder.

That moved the M113 from front line mission to supporting functions. It's wasn't totally replaced by the Bradley because the Army could not afford enough Bradleys.

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:07 pm
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

Cough cough,

Roy, I believe you will find that the Marder and its predecessor, the HS30, predate the BMP somewhat- after all, there was a Panzergrenadier tradition to follow... Cool

Cheers,

Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:12 pm
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

Hi Jens! Hi Folks!

- Jens_O_Mehner
Cough cough,

Roy, I believe you will find that the Marder and its predecessor, the HS30, predate the BMP somewhat- after all, there was a Panzergrenadier tradition to follow... Cool

Cheers,

Jens O.


Not sure how the Germans used the HS30, but I was thinking about vehicles with gun ports so the infantry could stay under armor. The HS30 seams more like a M113 with the guys standing up in the cargo hatch and shooting over the top of the hull.

Hope this may clear up my muddy chain of thinking.
Cough cough, sorry to hear you have a cold also. I am just getting over one.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:27 pm
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

- Jens_O_Mehner
Cough cough,

Roy, I believe you will find that the Marder and its predecessor, the HS30, predate the BMP somewhat- after all, there was a Panzergrenadier tradition to follow... Cool

Cheers,

Jens O.


Jens

Here is a little known secret.....

I trained with 'our' German partnership unit, 2/131st PzGrenBtln.



Keep this between you & me......

Shocked Wink

Opps...

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:53 pm
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Jens! Hi Folks!

Not sure how the Germans used the HS30, but I was thinking about vehicles with gun ports so the infantry could stay under armor. The HS30 seams more like a M113 with the guys standing up in the cargo hatch and shooting over the top of the hull.

Hope this may clear up my muddy chain of thinking.
Cough cough, sorry to hear you have a cold also. I am just getting over one.
Sgt, Scouts Out!


OK,

I thought you had a automatic gun-turret and closed hull among your criteria, the HS30 admittedly lacks a bit in the fire under cover-department. Still, Project Marder was laid in 1959, markedly predating the BMP. Cool

Cheers, and get well soon

Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:57 pm
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

- Dontos

Jens

Here is a little known secret.....

I trained with 'our' German partnership unit, 2/131st PzGrenBtln.



Keep this between you & me......

Shocked Wink

Opps...


Aaah,
fond memories of Bonnland... Sweet bird of youth, where hast thou flown? Mr. Green

I'd have kept the secret, but it seems our Opsec is not in good hands. Laughing

Cheers,

Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:00 pm
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:53 pm
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

- Jens_O_Mehner


Aah,
fond memories of Bonnland... Sweet bird of youth, where hast thou flown? Mr. Green

I'd have kept the secret, but it seems our Opsec is not in good hands. Laughing

Cheers,

Jens O.




A Great time, but valuable lessons learned.....

1) The Uzi beats the hell out of the G3 in Urban environment... Mr. Green
2) Fresh cold cuts and brotchen for Breakfast are awesome !!!
3) The hot field chow ( a greenish, split-pea stew with franks REALLY SUCKS!!!
4) The 'ABGANGER' traditions each evening challanged even my drinking ability (!?!) Shocked
5) During an early morning training assault, while suffering effects from the night before, DO NOT DRINK THE CLEAR LIQUID IN THE 1 LITER COKE BOTTLE, OFFERED BY THE PLATOON SGT.....(IT AIN'T WATER!!!) (apperently it was 'Apple Corn'....!!!)

All in all, one of the greatest 10 day training events I ever volunteered for...

Don

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:57 pm
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

- Roy_A_Lingle
That moved the M113 from front line mission to supporting functions. It's wasn't totally replaced by the Bradley because the Army could not afford enough Bradleys.

Sgt, Scouts Out!
The M113 family was never intended to totally be replaced by the Bradley. The ambulance, mortar carrier, engineer version and command post missions were never intended to be replaced by a Bradley variant. Although, now 20 some odd years later, there are starting to be some support variants, but that's more a function of the availability of excess Bradleys that can be converted due to the downsized force.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:44 am
Post subject: Re: M113A3 ID

There have been stories in the Canadian military press saying there are "several M113s" in Afghanistan. The latest was a story about packaged containers with sets of tools and spares.
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum