±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 580
Total: 580
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Your Account
06: Photo Gallery
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Home
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Photo Gallery
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Home
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Member Screenshots
26: Member Screenshots
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Your Account
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: CPGlang
36: Photo Gallery
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Member Screenshots
42: CPGlang
43: Photo Gallery
44: Photo Gallery
45: Photo Gallery
46: Community Forums
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Home
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Your Account
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Your Account
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Photo Gallery
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Downloads
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Home
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Home
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: News
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Downloads
108: Community Forums
109: Downloads
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Home
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Downloads
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Statistics
120: Community Forums
121: Home
122: CPGlang
123: Downloads
124: Community Forums
125: News Archive
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Community Forums
129: Home
130: Home
131: Home
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Your Account
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Home
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Home
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Downloads
149: Community Forums
150: Downloads
151: Photo Gallery
152: Community Forums
153: Member Screenshots
154: Photo Gallery
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Home
159: Community Forums
160: Photo Gallery
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Photo Gallery
164: Community Forums
165: Photo Gallery
166: Community Forums
167: Downloads
168: Community Forums
169: News Archive
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Community Forums
180: Photo Gallery
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Your Account
185: Photo Gallery
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Home
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Photo Gallery
195: Photo Gallery
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Downloads
200: Community Forums
201: Search
202: Community Forums
203: Home
204: Home
205: Statistics
206: Home
207: Photo Gallery
208: Photo Gallery
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Photo Gallery
212: Community Forums
213: Home
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Downloads
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Home
225: Member Screenshots
226: Community Forums
227: Home
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Photo Gallery
231: Community Forums
232: Downloads
233: Your Account
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Home
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Photo Gallery
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Statistics
247: Statistics
248: Photo Gallery
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Photo Gallery
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Your Account
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: News Archive
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Home
270: Home
271: Member Screenshots
272: Photo Gallery
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Photo Gallery
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: Community Forums
283: CPGlang
284: Community Forums
285: Home
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Photo Gallery
290: Community Forums
291: Photo Gallery
292: Downloads
293: Photo Gallery
294: Community Forums
295: Downloads
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Statistics
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Member Screenshots
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Downloads
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Photo Gallery
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Photo Gallery
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: News
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Photo Gallery
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Home
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Photo Gallery
344: Community Forums
345: Member Screenshots
346: Photo Gallery
347: Photo Gallery
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Downloads
353: Community Forums
354: Home
355: Photo Gallery
356: Home
357: Downloads
358: Community Forums
359: Downloads
360: Community Forums
361: Home
362: Home
363: Photo Gallery
364: Photo Gallery
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Home
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Member Screenshots
376: Photo Gallery
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Photo Gallery
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Downloads
383: Community Forums
384: Home
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Member Screenshots
390: Home
391: Downloads
392: Home
393: Your Account
394: Downloads
395: Community Forums
396: Photo Gallery
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Photo Gallery
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Downloads
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Photo Gallery
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Home
412: Photo Gallery
413: Home
414: Community Forums
415: Photo Gallery
416: Downloads
417: Community Forums
418: Photo Gallery
419: Community Forums
420: Home
421: Photo Gallery
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Photo Gallery
425: News Archive
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Home
429: Home
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Photo Gallery
435: Photo Gallery
436: Home
437: Photo Gallery
438: Photo Gallery
439: Community Forums
440: Photo Gallery
441: Photo Gallery
442: Downloads
443: Statistics
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Your Account
448: Community Forums
449: Home
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Home
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Photo Gallery
457: Community Forums
458: Photo Gallery
459: Community Forums
460: Home
461: Photo Gallery
462: Home
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Member Screenshots
466: Photo Gallery
467: Home
468: Downloads
469: Home
470: Community Forums
471: Home
472: Community Forums
473: Statistics
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Your Account
478: Downloads
479: Photo Gallery
480: Photo Gallery
481: Home
482: Home
483: Community Forums
484: Photo Gallery
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Downloads
488: Community Forums
489: Member Screenshots
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Home
500: Community Forums
501: News
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Photo Gallery
506: Photo Gallery
507: Home
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Home
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Home
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Photo Gallery
522: Community Forums
523: Photo Gallery
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Home
534: Community Forums
535: CPGlang
536: Downloads
537: Downloads
538: Photo Gallery
539: Community Forums
540: Downloads
541: Community Forums
542: Photo Gallery
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Home
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Home
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Home
555: Home
556: Community Forums
557: Downloads
558: Community Forums
559: Home
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Photo Gallery
564: Home
565: Community Forums
566: Your Account
567: Photo Gallery
568: Community Forums
569: Photo Gallery
570: Home
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Home
575: Photo Gallery
576: Downloads
577: Home
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Downloads

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Patton Museum in the News
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:50 pm
Post subject: Patton Museum in the News

Official: Patton Museum here to stay

Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:53 PM CDT

Future at Fort Knox could bring name change, shifted focus

By ERICA WALSH

FORT KNOX — The Patton Museum is not moving to Fort Benning, but the Georgia post could get its own armor museum.

Recent reports in a Georgia newspaper stating the armor museum was moving to Fort Benning caused concern among some Hardin County residents who believed the Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor would leave Fort Knox.

It is important to distinguish the Patton Museum from an armor museum, said Stephen McLean, executive director of the Patton Museum Foundation.

The Army plans to establish a separate, new armor museum at Fort Benning, Ga., he said. The Patton Museum will stay at Fort Knox.

Decisions regarding the armor museum ultimately lie with the Department of the Army’s Center for Military History, said Connie Shaffery, Fort Knox spokeswoman.

The purpose of an armor museum at Fort Benning would be for soldiers to train and understand the basics of their profession, said Lt. Col. Shane Lee, armor center and museum historian. There is an obligation to the Army and future armor soldiers to provide a piece of their heritage at their training grounds, he said.

Moving future armor students to Fort Benning without an armor museum would be like a family moving to a new home but not taking any of its photo albums, he said.

The Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor has more than 285 vehicles in its collection. Those vehicles could be moved to the new armor museum. However, most of the combat vehicles have doubles and those copies could stay at the Patton Museum.

“We’ve got quite a few that are duplicates,� Lee said. “There’s more than enough to share.�

While vehicles and artifacts could be moved to Fort Benning, the decision on which ones could leave has not been made and also is the responsibility of the Center for Military History, Shaffery said.

A new armor museum at Fort Benning would not mean the Patton Museum would suffer. The museum is beginning to undergo the next phase of a multimillion-dollar expansion, McLean said.

The new Patton Museum likely will be renamed — the proposed moniker is the Gen. George Patton Museum — and will be more “story-centric� rather than “thing-centric,� McLean said.

The museum will focus on Patton’s life, leadership style and the military family, as well as Army values and technology.

“It’s going to have a focus on really thanking the American soldier,� McLean said.

McLean will receive the final master plan in the next few weeks.

Residents and visitors should not expect a quick change. The Patton Museum expansion will take between five and seven years, McLean said.

When finished, it will be more interactive and stimulate the senses, McLean said.

“This is going to be quite an alive museum,� he said.


Weblink: Official: Patton Museum here to stay
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

Well, that was illuminating, in the way only a PR professional can accomplish.

What I got out of it was this:

"The museum will focus on Patton’s life, leadership style and the military family, as well as Army values and technology."


...or, "his stuff will remain here, and beyond that, we're not sure. Probably some historic vehicles that we have multiples of, especially WWII and maybe Vietnam since G.S. the Third served there."

I sense that maybe pre-existing agreements with the family may have had some bearing on this decision, as it should.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:03 am
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

Well, the "good news," depending on your POV, is that Army BRAC funds have taken a hit which could delay any of this a number of years. Frankly, I could easily see the Armor branch move getting killed after the next administration comes along.

OTOH, BRAC could be potentially beneficial to the Ordnance Museum with the move to Fort Lee and a new 375,000 sf facility - assuming the funds materialize and it gets built, etc...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:12 am
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

- Neil_Baumgardner
Well, the "good news," depending on your POV, is that Army BRAC funds have taken a hit which could delay any of this a number of years. Frankly, I could easily see the Armor branch move getting killed after the next administration comes along.

OTOH, BRAC could be potentially beneficial to the Ordnance Museum with the move to Fort Lee and a new 375,000 sf facility - assuming the funds materialize and it gets built, etc...

Neil


My fear is that the budget for the move to Ft Lee will be lowballed and then as costs rise it will be cut back with the collection split or in 'temporary storage'

But as operational costs continue to mount I can see a lot of BRAC being viewed as a luxury that we can't afford.

And on a side note - I wonder what effect all the recent publicity about Walter Reed will have on the plans to close it and move it to the Bethesda NMC? I'm actually surprised that someone hasn't suggested accelerating the transition as a way to solve the problems.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])


Last edited by bsmart on Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:57 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:47 am
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

Reading between the lines I think they are saying the Armor Museum is moving to Ft Benning and they will leave behind the name. Crying or Very sad

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:01 am
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

- MarkHolloway
Reading between the lines I think they are saying the Armor Museum is moving to Ft Benning and they will leave behind the name. Crying or Very sad


That's the way I read it also, maybe leave the personal mementoes and the memorials (especially from old Third Army units) and a few token tanks. Other than that, and a nice building, nothing. Sad

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:12 am
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

Frankly I am not sure what they would do with all that space, although they could conceivably use it to hold most if not all of the remaining collection - the "duplicates," etc.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:30 am
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

On a semi-related note... Interesting article about a review of the US Army Europe drawdown... Frankly bringing back 2 heavy divisions (ie your least deployable forces) and replacing them with 1 high deployable Stryker brigade didnt make a whole lot of sense to me...

But if this gets curtailed, it could have a ripple effect on some of the BRAC moves... 1st ID still has one brigade (4th BCT) in Germany, and 1st Armored Division is still mostly based there...

The 1st ID's 3rd BCT (currently cadre at Fort Hood) is supposed to go to Knox, but I wouldnt be surprised if it stays at Hood if 4th BCT stays in Europe and the armor center move gets killed by budget cuts. OTOH, maybe 1st ID will complete the move and 1st AD stays in Europe...

Neil

U.S. Commander Reviews Planned U.S. Troop Cuts in Europe

US State Department: March 15, 2007

WASHINGTON --- The United States plans to send its first rotational Army brigade to Bulgaria and Romania in the summer of 2007, and the senior U.S. and NATO commander in Europe told Congress he is reviewing a previous decision to withdraw more than 40,000 American troops from Europe over the next several years.

Also, a leading congressman said success in Afghanistan might be essential to the long-term effectiveness of the NATO alliance.

“If NATO is not successful, it can be seen as an impotent organization, and the fallout from that could be devastating,� House Armed Services Chairman Ike Skelton told NATO Supreme Allied Commander General Bantz Craddock, who is also chief of the U.S. European Command (EUCOM). “We can’t let that happen,� Skelton said.

Europe-Based Forces Heavily Deployed

The number of troops in EUCOM are scheduled to decrease from 112,000 to fewer than 70,000, primarily by transferring Army brigades from Germany to posts within the United States. Craddock told the House Armed Services Committee March 15, however, that his Europe-based forces are involved heavily in global missions, including deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as supporting the creation of the new Africa Command.

In addition to its wartime troop commitments, the European Command is establishing a new Joint Task Force-East at shared bases in Bulgaria and Romania, to be staffed by approximately 2,000 to 3,000 U.S. troops. These troops temporarily would rotate to the bases for several months at a time, leaving their families at their home bases. A squadron from the Germany-based 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment is scheduled to conduct the first “proof of principle� rotation to Eastern Europe “in the summer of 2007,� Craddock testified.

In late 2005 and early 2006, the United States signed agreements with Romania and Bulgaria allowing U.S. troops to train on local military bases. The United States intends to maintain constant rotation of troops in the two countries, Craddock said. But the current pace of U.S. worldwide deployments means those bases might not always be staffed. The Joint Task Force-East is intended to maintain a U.S. military presence near the Black Sea and Caucasus to help promote stability in a strategic region.

Craddock Reviewing Troop Strengths

The many missions to Iraq, Afghanistan, Eastern Europe and sub-Saharan Africa “compel us to review the previous assumptions … to determine if our planned posture fully supports the tasks and missions we have been given,� Craddock testified.

The United States plans to rotate some U.S.-based personnel for short-term assignments at posts in Eastern Europe and elsewhere. But Craddock said these short-term assignments might be “sub-optimal� in developing “long-term and enduring relationships� with European allies. Craddock said he recently asked for a list of training exercises and partnership-building missions that had to be canceled because of wartime troop shortages. “It was surprising in its volume,� Craddock said of the list of canceled missions. He added that, during his military career, his Europe-based assignments were especially important in engaging with long-term partners, helping build allied militaries and developing an enduring connection between American forces and their host communities.

In Afghanistan, about 15,000 U.S. troops are among the 34,000 multinational forces in NATO’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), which helps provide stability for Afghanistan’s government. ISAF also operates 25 provincial reconstruction teams, which Craddock called “the leading edge of NATO’s efforts for security and reconstruction.�

Security and economic development go “hand in hand,� Craddock said. However, he acknowledged that the 26-nation NATO alliance is having difficulty staffing the reconstruction teams. NATO’s member nations have committed themselves to the Afghanistan mission, but NATO’s “level of ambition … is not matched by its political will� for member nations to deploy troops, Craddock said.

Approximately 200 NATO forces are also in Iraq, providing staff training for Iraqi officers and noncommissioned officers.

Skelton said he remains “convinced that the effort in Afghanistan is winnable. But our partners must seriously step up their efforts by contributing more troops and aid.�
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

Of course that begs the question about why we have any large combat organizations in Europe at all now. The only reason I can think of is so they are already there when the reincarnated Evil Empire rears it's head in a few years. In that case I would like them beployed as far east as possible (Poland, Hungary, Rumania, etc) But the days of needing a heavy force to defend Western Europe is over. Cut costs bring 'em home. Besides when we vbring back those museums maybe there will be enough duplicates Smile

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

- bsmart
- MarkHolloway
Reading between the lines I think they are saying the Armor Museum is moving to Ft Benning and they will leave behind the name. Crying or Very sad


That's the way I read it also, maybe leave the personal mementoes and the memorials (especially from old Third Army units) and a few token tanks. Other than that, and a nice building, nothing. Sad


Well, the "Elvis in the Army" exhibit could be extended and expanded.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

I forgot about that. Might just be a bigger draw than Patton. Of course they may want to move that to Graceland

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

- Doug_Kibbey
- bsmart
- MarkHolloway
Reading between the lines I think they are saying the Armor Museum is moving to Ft Benning and they will leave behind the name. Crying or Very sad


That's the way I read it also, maybe leave the personal mementoes and the memorials (especially from old Third Army units) and a few token tanks. Other than that, and a nice building, nothing. Sad


Well, the "Elvis in the Army" exhibit could be extended and expanded.



Elvis has left the building !!!

That exhibit is no longer on display.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

Wait, I've got it!

Curmudgeons In Armor! Starring Roy, Doug and a cast of thousands...

or is that too "over the top"?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

- bsmart
Of course that begs the question about why we have any large combat organizations in Europe at all now. The only reason I can think of is so they are already there when the reincarnated Evil Empire rears it's head in a few years. In that case I would like them beployed as far east as possible (Poland, Hungary, Rumania, etc) But the days of needing a heavy force to defend Western Europe is over. Cut costs bring 'em home. Besides when we vbring back those museums maybe there will be enough duplicates Smile


IMO, you keep large heavy combat forces in Europe near big airbases and ports. Its not about the Evil Empire... Its about a lot shorter trip from Germany, etc to the Middle East (ie assuming we ever get out of Iraq and arent in Saudi Arabia anymore, etc) than from the US. It is frankly beyond me as to why you would station all of your heaviest, least deployable forces the furthest distance possible from any likely contingency..

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Patton Museum in the News

The reason we had heavy forces in Europe was never as a staging to go elsewhere. It was to show the Soviets that they couldn't go any further and to prop up strugtlling economies. The economic asspect is long gone. Heavy forces aren't deployable as rapid response forces. The only way that works is to preposition the heavy equipment where you expect to need it and bring in the troops. And you can bring in the troops from their home station.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum