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If Georgia was a full-fledged NATO partner then wouldn't the US and other NATO members be obligated to get involved? Wasn't NATO formed for mutual protection of it's members from the Russians (USSR)?

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Depends...

First off, Georgia isnt currently a NATO member - wasnt sure if that part was a "rhetorical question" or not...

Secondly, if it was, it could have invoked Article 5 - which would have lead to a vote by the Atlantic Council. Turkey tried to invoke Article 5 in 2003 in response to a perceived threat from Iraq once the U.S. invaded. The NATO members didnt see this as an Article 5 issue... And Turkey wasnt happy - so in part this meant 4th ID couldnt invade via Turkey...

The NATO Council might have taken a similar view of the South Ossetia war, particularly because of Georgia's actions at the onset - not to go down that debate... That being said, once Russian started invading Georgia "proper," an Article 5 response might have become more likely...

Along those lines, the strong US verbal response/warning to the attack on Senaki may have lead in part to the end of hostilities on Russia's part...

Frankly, I was a little surprised the USAF C-5s delivering Georgian troops to Tbilisi from Iraq (very under-reported) didnt lead to any possible MiG-29 intercepts/confrontations... Obviously (IMO) the Russians were warned to not intercept/confront...

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Apparently all the Georgian troops in Iraq as part of the bigger NATO/GCTF mission were airlifted home, literally within hours. US troops were ordered t backfill those positions and parts of the mission. This little war has ripples when it comes to other parts of NATO.

I think Georgia is part of Partners for Peace, or junior NATO members. Not fully entitled to the benefits of the whole of the treaty but not obliged to comply with all the treaty obligations either. As has been discussed, the Georgians may have been the agressor. This action would have been totally unacceptable as a full member of NATO. Just the same way Denmark and Canada haven't gone to guns over Hans Island up in the High Arctic.
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Let Russia and Georgia join NATO and we will be one, big, happy family! Wink

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Let Russia and Georgia join NATO and we will be one, big, happy family! Wink



And in one swell foop, consign the Spark Man's doctrine of U.S. Troops carrying an SKS as backup for that moment when they find themselves out of ammo to oblivion?!

Heretic! BURN HIM!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt7Zdp2W7eY

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:10 pm
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If Georgia was a full-fledged NATO partner then wouldn't the US and other NATO members be obligated to get involved? Wasn't NATO formed for mutual protection of it's members from the Russians (USSR)?


IF Georgia was a member, this would've probably been treated like the Greek-Turkish (BOTH NATO members) conflict in Cyprus, i.e., "don't look at me. . ."

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If Georgia was a full-fledged NATO partner then wouldn't the US and other NATO members be obligated to get involved? Wasn't NATO formed for mutual protection of it's members from the Russians (USSR)?


IF Georgia was a member, this would've probably been treated like the Greek-Turkish (BOTH NATO members) conflict in Cyprus, i.e., "don't look at me. . ."

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And in one swell foop, consign the Spark Man's doctrine of U.S. Troops carrying an SKS as backup for that moment when they find themselves out of ammo to oblivion?!

Heretic! BURN HIM!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt7Zdp2W7eY


WHAT JUST 1 DARN MINUTE!!!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked

Aren't the soldiers ALL resupplied from their G-G-G..... M113's Wink

(....oh yeah the 30 year old 'new' vehicles all broke down many miles away, and there is no other way to push it forward since all the units had their supply trucks & Command hummers taken away for the tracked PC's.......HA ha ha!!!

THAT DUDE IS A FRIGGIN' IDIOT!!
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"Suddenly, NATO stares at it's shoes and ponders quality of shine, begins whistling nonchalantly...."

And the world whistles with them...

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