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"Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: "Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)
Interesting photos, sixteen pages worth, lotsa' armor. Page twelve features one brewed-up Elefant. Pattern of damage is striking. www.aeronautics.ru/arc...age_01.htm

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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: "Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)
Thanks Doug I thinking the Elefant's ammo cooked off after behing hit by something else, If that's the result of the initial hit I'd love to know what did it, maybe a large mine? Piney

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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: "Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)
It's result of deck roof hit by B-4 203-mm howitzer

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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: "Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)
Thanks Taranov Piney

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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: Re: "Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)
The link's not working for me. _________________ Trevor Dr Trevor Larkum Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk EVs

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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: "Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)
Not everything posted there relates to Kursk . . . There are a lot snow and overcoats shown for a battle taking part in July and August . . . KL

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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:02 am
Post subject: Re: "Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)

Working now, nice pics!

- Taranov

It's result of deck roof hit by B-4 203-mm howitzer ;)

Perhaps, but all the hatches being open - and apparently blown off in some cases, like the rear one - and the roof looking largely undamaged inclines me toward the internal explosion suggestion.

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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: "Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)
Only two Ferdinands have real huge damage of hull/deck. First have direct hit of FAB-100 bomb from Pe-2 dive bomber Second - on photo from topic start, direct hit to deck roof from B-4 howitzer.

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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: "Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)
I guess we're talking about different pictures - I thought the reference was to this one: _________________ Trevor Dr Trevor Larkum Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk EVs

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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: Re: "Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)
Full destroyed deck - it's result of bomb hit from Pe-2 Overturned deck - result of B-4 howitzer hit. And it's not speculations - it's official Red Army report. Ferdinand have very strong superstructure. Typical result of internal impact - opened roof hatches and removed evacuation/gun removing hatch on the rear side of deck.

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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:50 am Post subject: Re: "Images of Kursk" (and one seriously brewed-up Elefant)
This Panther doesn't look too good either.... Some seriously big holes and cracks in the side. It is just a shadow or is there a big, irregular hole on the left hull roof, just behind the turret ring? cbo

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