±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 517
Total: 517
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Photo Gallery
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Downloads
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: CPGlang
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Member Screenshots
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Downloads
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Photo Gallery
34: Home
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Member Screenshots
39: Downloads
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: Photo Gallery
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Home
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Your Account
49: CPGlang
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Your Account
54: Downloads
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Photo Gallery
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Home
65: Photo Gallery
66: Photo Gallery
67: Community Forums
68: Home
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Photo Gallery
72: Photo Gallery
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Downloads
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Community Forums
80: Member Screenshots
81: Photo Gallery
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Your Account
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: Home
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Photo Gallery
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Home
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Downloads
103: News Archive
104: Community Forums
105: Downloads
106: Community Forums
107: Photo Gallery
108: Community Forums
109: Home
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Photo Gallery
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Home
123: Photo Gallery
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Home
130: Community Forums
131: Photo Gallery
132: Home
133: Community Forums
134: Home
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Photo Gallery
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Photo Gallery
144: Community Forums
145: Home
146: Community Forums
147: Photo Gallery
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Your Account
151: Photo Gallery
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Home
156: Photo Gallery
157: Photo Gallery
158: Community Forums
159: Photo Gallery
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Home
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Statistics
176: Home
177: Home
178: Community Forums
179: Home
180: Photo Gallery
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Photo Gallery
188: Community Forums
189: Your Account
190: Home
191: Photo Gallery
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Photo Gallery
195: Photo Gallery
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Home
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: CPGlang
204: Photo Gallery
205: Member Screenshots
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Downloads
219: Community Forums
220: CPGlang
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Member Screenshots
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Downloads
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Home
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Photo Gallery
240: Home
241: Community Forums
242: Downloads
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Home
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: CPGlang
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Photo Gallery
256: Photo Gallery
257: Community Forums
258: Photo Gallery
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Photo Gallery
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Home
277: Community Forums
278: Photo Gallery
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Home
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Home
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Photo Gallery
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Your Account
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Downloads
304: Photo Gallery
305: Home
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Photo Gallery
311: Member Screenshots
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Photo Gallery
316: Photo Gallery
317: Home
318: Your Account
319: Your Account
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Photo Gallery
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Downloads
327: Photo Gallery
328: Photo Gallery
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: News Archive
332: Home
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Your Account
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Downloads
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Photo Gallery
359: Downloads
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Downloads
364: Photo Gallery
365: Home
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Photo Gallery
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Photo Gallery
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Photo Gallery
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Photo Gallery
386: Downloads
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Photo Gallery
391: Photo Gallery
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Photo Gallery
396: Photo Gallery
397: CPGlang
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Downloads
401: Photo Gallery
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Your Account
405: Photo Gallery
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Home
409: Community Forums
410: Photo Gallery
411: News
412: Photo Gallery
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: Community Forums
416: Downloads
417: Community Forums
418: Home
419: Community Forums
420: Downloads
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Photo Gallery
425: Photo Gallery
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Photo Gallery
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Home
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Statistics
438: News
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Home
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Statistics
451: Downloads
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Photo Gallery
457: CPGlang
458: Member Screenshots
459: Home
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Downloads
463: Downloads
464: Community Forums
465: Home
466: Community Forums
467: Photo Gallery
468: CPGlang
469: Photo Gallery
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Home
473: News
474: Home
475: Community Forums
476: Downloads
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Photo Gallery
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: CPGlang
491: Home
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: CPGlang
497: Community Forums
498: Photo Gallery
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Photo Gallery
502: Community Forums
503: Home
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Photo Gallery
515: Photo Gallery
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Trying to Date Photo
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:49 am
Post subject: Trying to Date Photo

Found this on Flickr. Notice there is no 'SPEARHEAD' tab and his brass has a WW1 tank. Any idears?
BIG PICTURE: farm4.static.flickr.co...33ba_b.jpg

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:46 am
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

The key is the awards worn. Appears to have a 'v' device on one.

Gen M. Rose coined the 'Spearhead' label as I recall.

Perhaps 1945 with conclusion of hostilities?

any thoughts?

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:57 am
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

I was wondering when they used that branch insignia?

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:59 am
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

It seems to me that the photo is dating from the late 40s or 50s. I have a similar "Chino" shirt which is a Model 1948 and dated from 1951.. I think that the WW2 Chino shirt has a different pattern, but this needs to be verified.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

yes, all on the right track. don is looking at the ribbons, i am looking at the uniform itself... it is post 1945 (like p-o mentioned). looks like the cotton khaki shade 1 shirt with cotton-mohair necktie. the color of the necktie wasnt changed to black until sept. 1956. also along don's notes, the enlisted collar insignia wasnt added to the uniform until 1946. (based on the doolittle board inspired 1946 pattern shirt) all post war shirts encorporated officer shirt features, that is why he is an EM with a shirt that has sholder loops.
all that said, i still cant answer your Q mark, dont know why his tab has a WW1 tank...
shawn
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

I read at another site that the current branch insignia was authorized in 1950.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

Just read at 3ad.com that the spearhead tab was added in Sept '44.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2066
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

Mark,

The Tab may have been added but I don't think it was incorporated as DA authorized till much later. The picture has to be post hostilities because he's wearing an Army of Occupation Medal, Germany as his lowest award, and that wasn't authorized until 1946. After checking the others against the DA site I think the others listed in order from the Occupation medals are, WWII Victory Medal, European/African/Middle Eastern Campaign Medal, and the American Campaign Medal. I cannot figure out what His highest ribbon is unless it's some kind of unit award. Wish the picture was larger.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

- Joe_D
I cannot figure out what His highest ribbon is unless it's some kind of unit award. Wish the picture was larger.


Good Conduct Ribbion.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo



A new insignia for the Armored Forces was authorized by War Department Circular 56, dated 25 Feb 42. This insignia was the side-view of the Mark VIII Tank used in World War I. The insignia was continued in use until the Armor Branch was established in Feb 51. The new insignia was the result of the Army Reorganization Act of 1950 as announced in Army Bulletin No. 9. The Armored Forces and Cavalry were combined into a single branch called Armor. The Armored Forces insignia was no longer used; however, the Cavalry was continued in use as a collar insignia for personnel assigned to Cavalry Units.

Source: www.tioh.hqda.pentagon...0Armor.htm

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2066
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:26 am
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

Tanker 2010 wrote:

Good Conduct Ribbion


You know, I thought that but it just didn't seem dark enough on the edges. I Agree though, it's a GCM.

Funny family story on the GCM. My Dad was often asked if he was prior service Army near the end of his 29 years because he had one. He would reply "That's what we got before the Air Force created their own." Smile

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:23 am
Post subject: Re: Trying to Date Photo

- Dontos


A new insignia for the Armored Forces was authorized by War Department Circular 56, dated 25 Feb 42. This insignia was the side-view of the Mark VIII Tank used in World War I. The insignia was continued in use until the Armor Branch was established in Feb 51. The new insignia was the result of the Army Reorganization Act of 1950 as announced in Army Bulletin No. 9. The Armored Forces and Cavalry were combined into a single branch called Armor. The Armored Forces insignia was no longer used; however, the Cavalry was continued in use as a collar insignia for personnel assigned to Cavalry Units.

Source: www.tioh.hqda.pentagon...0Armor.htm

Don


I guess that answers one question. Only to pose another - why isn't that a picture of the distinctive Anglo-American Mark VIII then? It's clearly an earlier British rhomboidal tank, perhaps a Mark V (because US troops used Mark Vs?).

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum