±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 343
Total: 343
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Photo Gallery
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: CPGlang
08: Statistics
09: Community Forums
10: Photo Gallery
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Photo Gallery
14: Member Screenshots
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Photo Gallery
18: Home
19: Member Screenshots
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Member Screenshots
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: News
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: CPGlang
32: Photo Gallery
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Photo Gallery
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Community Forums
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Photo Gallery
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Downloads
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Home
55: CPGlang
56: Community Forums
57: Photo Gallery
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Photo Gallery
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Photo Gallery
69: Home
70: Community Forums
71: Home
72: Photo Gallery
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Photo Gallery
76: Community Forums
77: Your Account
78: Photo Gallery
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Photo Gallery
83: Member Screenshots
84: Photo Gallery
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Member Screenshots
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Photo Gallery
95: Photo Gallery
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Member Screenshots
103: Community Forums
104: Home
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Photo Gallery
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Photo Gallery
112: Member Screenshots
113: Community Forums
114: Member Screenshots
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Photo Gallery
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Photo Gallery
123: Photo Gallery
124: Photo Gallery
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Downloads
128: Community Forums
129: Photo Gallery
130: Community Forums
131: Home
132: Community Forums
133: Photo Gallery
134: Downloads
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Photo Gallery
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Statistics
141: Photo Gallery
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Photo Gallery
146: Your Account
147: CPGlang
148: Photo Gallery
149: Photo Gallery
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Photo Gallery
157: Photo Gallery
158: Community Forums
159: Home
160: Photo Gallery
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Photo Gallery
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Photo Gallery
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Photo Gallery
172: Community Forums
173: Photo Gallery
174: Member Screenshots
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Photo Gallery
178: Community Forums
179: Photo Gallery
180: Community Forums
181: Photo Gallery
182: Community Forums
183: Your Account
184: Photo Gallery
185: Community Forums
186: Photo Gallery
187: Photo Gallery
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Member Screenshots
191: Photo Gallery
192: Community Forums
193: Home
194: Photo Gallery
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Photo Gallery
200: Photo Gallery
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Photo Gallery
204: Community Forums
205: Downloads
206: Photo Gallery
207: Photo Gallery
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Photo Gallery
212: Community Forums
213: Downloads
214: Photo Gallery
215: Photo Gallery
216: Community Forums
217: Your Account
218: Photo Gallery
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Photo Gallery
222: Community Forums
223: News
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: News Archive
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Photo Gallery
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Your Account
233: Member Screenshots
234: Photo Gallery
235: Photo Gallery
236: Photo Gallery
237: Community Forums
238: Photo Gallery
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Your Account
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Home
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Home
253: Photo Gallery
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Photo Gallery
258: Home
259: Member Screenshots
260: Community Forums
261: Your Account
262: Community Forums
263: Photo Gallery
264: Downloads
265: Home
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Photo Gallery
274: Photo Gallery
275: Community Forums
276: Home
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Photo Gallery
280: Photo Gallery
281: Community Forums
282: Photo Gallery
283: Community Forums
284: Photo Gallery
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Member Screenshots
288: Photo Gallery
289: Your Account
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Photo Gallery
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Photo Gallery
296: Photo Gallery
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Photo Gallery
305: Photo Gallery
306: Photo Gallery
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Member Screenshots
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: CPGlang
315: Member Screenshots
316: Community Forums
317: News
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Home
322: Home
323: Photo Gallery
324: Downloads
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Photo Gallery
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Photo Gallery
334: Home
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Downloads
340: Photo Gallery
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
"Jumbo" to go home!
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:05 am
Post subject: "Jumbo" to go home!

Not too sure about the "3.6" ton assessment (maybe them's metric tones) but this certainly is good news.

www.army.mil/-news/200...on-museum/

Additional pictures on bottom bar of the linky...

Eventually headed for Army Museum, Washington D.C.

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:44 am
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

It was probably 36 metric tons, indeed.

3.6 metric tons should be the weight of the single turret without gun..

Anyway, this article allows us to learn a lot of things :

""My intent is to reset Cobra King in appearance to her historic state as pictured on the day after the relief of Bastogne," Dyer states in the plan."

"Phase one will remove the current M-1A1 76mm main-gun that was installed in March 1945 . The Patton Museum will then replace the gun with the original Jumbo version, an M-3 75mm, L38 main-gun."

"The tank will be moved to the U.S. Army Museum in Washington, D.C., with its expected opening in 2013"


good things !!

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:31 am
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

The 'Jumbos' Combat weight was rated at 85,000 lbs initially, when mounting the 75mm main gun.

I assume that equates (closer) to 36 metric tons, taking into account that "Cobra King's" current condition is considerably less than combat weight.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:39 pm
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

Don,
I assume its going to RMP in the interim?

And of course you know we will expect you to provide copious photographs of its arrival... and the restoration process... Confused

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:41 pm
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

BTW, what a story behind this tank! I had to scour multiple sources to give some background for the register footnote:

"This tank is the original “Cobra King,” which served with C Company, 37th Tank Battalion - the first tank to enter Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge in December 1944 (for further info see Dave Melancon, 'Cobra King' led 4th Armored Division column that relieved Bastogne during Battle of the Bulge, U.S. Army Europe Public Affairs Office, 25 February 2009). Following the relief of Bastogne the tank may also have supported Task Force Baum during the Hammelburg Raid in March 1945, according to Joe DeMarco (G104, 12/2005). The tank was re-armed with an M1A1 76mm gun on the orders of Lieutenant General George S. Patton , commander of the 3rd U.S. Army, in March 1945. After World War II the tank was put on display at Kitzingen / Wirzburg, Germany, later McKee Barracks in Crailsheim, Germany in the mid/late 1950s, and then moved to 37th Armor Regiment Park and the Rose Barracks Gate in Vilseck, Germany in 1994 (Kitzingen / Wirzburg location information identified by Joe DeMarco, G104, 1/2009). “Cobra King” was shipped from Vilseck to Fort Knox in June/July 2009 for restoration, which will include removing the 76mm gun and re-arming it with an original M3 75mm gun as it had during the Battle of the Bulge (Mary Markos, Historic Cobra King heads to new home in Patton Museum, U.S. Army Garrison Grafenwoehr, 16 June 2009). The tank is planned to go on display at the at the National Museum of the U.S. Army when it opens outside of Washington, DC in 2013. The tank was first identified by Keith Goode and Joe DeMarco (G104, 5/2001) and later officially confirmed by the U.S. Army (Jennifer H. Svan, Vilseck tank confirmed as ‘Cobra King,’ Stars and Stripes (European edition), 27 December 2008)."

No one source has all this info, particularly Joe DeMarco's contributions - otherwise I'd just link to it...

Chris Hughes posted a very good photo gallery of Cobra King at www.toadmanstankpictur...a_king.htm



Here's the articles

Vilseck tank confirmed as ‘Cobra King’
www.stripes.com/articl...icle=59651

This one provides a pretty good overview of its history

'Cobra King' led 4th Armored Division column that relieved Bastogne during Battle of the Bulge
www.army.mil/-news/200...the-bulge/

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
JeffStringer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 637

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:10 pm
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

A muzzle brake on a Jumbo just isn't right. Confused
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:46 pm
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

This may now be one of the best documented WWII survivors that actually saw frontline service

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:16 pm
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

I agree with Bob!
I cant think of any others...

Great News, good to hear this this morning!!!
What all will be in the new museum there in D.C.??? Any links to preview the proposed museum? what size, what types of displays, etc...?

"Phase one will remove the current M-1A1 76mm main-gun that was installed in March 1945 (a year after the tank broke through Bastogne)"
Just given the linked articles a quick looksy,being a pessimist this a.m., this timeline stated bothers me just a little bit...
SR
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:21 pm
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

Forgive me this morning, had a party, woked up very late, it isnt morning now, do I notice more historical inaccurancies or syntax in one or more articles?
SR
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:48 pm
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

Its going to open at Fort Belvoir

www.armyhistory.org/

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:15 pm
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

To the matter of 'upgunning' the JUMBO.

From 3rd Army Report (March 1945):
"The project of installing 76mm guns in lieu of 75mm guns in medium tanks, M4A3E2, was continued with a total of 45 tanks being completely modified."
" Gun tubes were supplied thru normal channels of supply and from salvage tanks."
"Sighting equipment for the 76mm gun was not available, therefore 3" gun telescopic sights were substituted to eliminate this problem."
"The main difficulties encountered were the modification and rearrangement of the ammunition rack and the relocation of the radio which was removed from the turret and placed in the drivers compartment. The bustle in the turret in which the radio was originally located was converted to provide storage for seven 'ready rounds' of ammunition. Approximately 75 man hours were required to complete the modification."

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Tichenor
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 06, 2007
Posts: 461
Location: Antwerp
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:21 pm
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

To be honest I have some mixt feelings with this.
I'm sad its leaving Europe, the place where it did get its glorie and always will be connected with Bastogne.
On the other hand I'm glad finaly someone recognised its historical value and Cobra King gets its needed restoration.

The other side off the medal is that we here in Brussels have the only M4A3E2 Jumbo outside the US ( as far as I know).

Michel
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:34 pm
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

Isn't there a Jumbo at Bovington?

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:58 am
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!



Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:16 am
Post subject: Re: "Jumbo" to go home!

Don,
The timeline I am referring to isnt in reference to the installation of the 76mm, but that it didnt happen a year after the Battle of the Bulge as the one article stated. (Nor did the Cobra King participate in a "Breakout" as the one article stated, it "Broke in")
SR
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum