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If you thought the Chinese digicamo pattern looked bad...
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I like that pattern, but think it's quite a challenge to reproduce it on a 1/35 model..*

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This may be an stupid question....

However I'm allowed because I'm an civilian, with no military experience Mr. Green

Is this digit camo pattern serious Confused

I can not imagine that this is better then the old style patches, stripes and dots with-out the 90 degree corners Neutral



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It's a conspiracy against armor modelers everywhere, I tell ya'...and an outrage!

Here's something I didn't know...dates in U.S. Army to the late '70's experimentally:

www.uniteddynamics.com/dualtex/

Don might know something about this. Camo on vehicles was something we tested at the Armor Board in the early '70's, but digital was not among them.

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Don might know something about this. Camo on vehicles was something we tested at the Armor Board in the early '70's, but digital was not among them.


HUH ?? Shocked

The only thing close to that was the 'urban camo' scheme the I believe the 'Berlin Bde' tested sometime in the 70's.

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http://www.museedesblindes.fr/spip.php?article47

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US Army in Europe tested it for a while in the 70's on select units.

Idea is it helps camouflage vehicles/personnel from electronic optics (FLIR/Image intensification). One key aspect is the exemption of Black. From what I understand, black is more detectable on a moving object than any other color, being it doesn't reflect any light and creates a void in the color spectrum. Same theory bounced around when coming up with a way to defeat Laser Range Finders. No reflection, no range. People a lot smarter than me could probably explain all this (Quantum Physics and all Confused ) but it supposedly works when done right.

My argument has always been that it's useless in the field once your covered in dirt/mud/dust and have the plethora of equipment and kit strapped outside. As far as dismounts go, a "Gilly suit" has always been the best for remaining unseen. But that's a bit extreme Mr. Green .

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Just when you think you've "Maned-Up" enough to tackle the Chieftain camo pattern, this comes along. Confused


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I wonder how this is applied. Is it painted directly on the vehicle? Or is it some kind of sheet printed overlay (similar to the 'bodywrap' full vehicle advertising I see on the street these days.

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I dont care for that nasty green... I dont care for any of the digi camo anyway. The theories have all been done before, same horse just of a different color! ha!

The more things change the more they stay the same.

I think much the same as JoeD's comments. In a perfect world and in lab conditions everything will always work.

It all sounds good to some loving general somewhere. (like berets with no-polish boots??)
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You had to bring up Berets,

I was at Riley when we got issued them (Months after the OFFICIAL issue, we were always near the bottom to get things). Told a lot of my troops how miserable they'd be wearing a BLACK piece of wool on their head in the summer. Was asked how I knew and told them I wore one in the Mojave for two years. Give me the good old soft cap or now called "Patrol Cap" any time.

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I did an article on the "Dual-Tex" pattern the US tested in the 80's. It was printed in the April 2008 issue of Military Vehicle Magazine.
The pattern was tested at West Point, I have read the test reports and cover them in the article.
If you are unable to locate this back issue of the magazine and are interested, I have a digital copy in my files someplace.
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I think the problem is scale. Those elements are so large that they lose effect. Here is a shot of a Hummer in a vinyl wrap that appears a lot more effective (but an even bigger nightmare for modelers)



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Bad case of a TETRIS game gone wrong, Tetris tank......

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Hi,

Leopard 2 PSO

Digicamo pattern or urban camo?
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