±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 650
Total: 650
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Photo Gallery
06: Community Forums
07: Downloads
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Photo Gallery
11: Community Forums
12: Statistics
13: Photo Gallery
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: CPGlang
22: Community Forums
23: Photo Gallery
24: Photo Gallery
25: Home
26: Photo Gallery
27: Member Screenshots
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Photo Gallery
33: Downloads
34: Community Forums
35: Photo Gallery
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Statistics
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Home
48: Photo Gallery
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Photo Gallery
55: Member Screenshots
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Photo Gallery
61: Your Account
62: Community Forums
63: Your Account
64: Community Forums
65: Downloads
66: Photo Gallery
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Home
71: CPGlang
72: Photo Gallery
73: Home
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Statistics
78: Community Forums
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Statistics
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Your Account
87: Home
88: Statistics
89: Community Forums
90: Photo Gallery
91: Community Forums
92: Home
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Downloads
98: Community Forums
99: Member Screenshots
100: Community Forums
101: Downloads
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Photo Gallery
108: Member Screenshots
109: Downloads
110: Community Forums
111: Home
112: Community Forums
113: Photo Gallery
114: Your Account
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Photo Gallery
123: Home
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Home
129: Home
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Home
134: Photo Gallery
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: CPGlang
138: Photo Gallery
139: Photo Gallery
140: Community Forums
141: Photo Gallery
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Home
145: CPGlang
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: Community Forums
149: Photo Gallery
150: Member Screenshots
151: Photo Gallery
152: Community Forums
153: Home
154: Community Forums
155: Your Account
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Photo Gallery
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Home
163: CPGlang
164: Photo Gallery
165: Statistics
166: Community Forums
167: Member Screenshots
168: Photo Gallery
169: Community Forums
170: Statistics
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Photo Gallery
174: Home
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Your Account
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Photo Gallery
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Community Forums
189: Photo Gallery
190: Community Forums
191: Statistics
192: Downloads
193: Photo Gallery
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Photo Gallery
198: Community Forums
199: News Archive
200: Photo Gallery
201: Community Forums
202: Home
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Home
206: Photo Gallery
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Photo Gallery
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Photo Gallery
214: Statistics
215: Community Forums
216: News Archive
217: Home
218: Home
219: Downloads
220: Home
221: Your Account
222: Community Forums
223: Home
224: Community Forums
225: Home
226: Community Forums
227: Member Screenshots
228: Community Forums
229: Photo Gallery
230: Community Forums
231: Photo Gallery
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Photo Gallery
237: Community Forums
238: Your Account
239: Photo Gallery
240: Your Account
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Home
244: Photo Gallery
245: Home
246: Photo Gallery
247: Your Account
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Photo Gallery
253: Community Forums
254: Home
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Home
258: Downloads
259: Photo Gallery
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Photo Gallery
263: Community Forums
264: Statistics
265: Statistics
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Home
270: Home
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Home
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Photo Gallery
277: Photo Gallery
278: Community Forums
279: Downloads
280: Photo Gallery
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Photo Gallery
287: Downloads
288: Community Forums
289: Photo Gallery
290: Community Forums
291: Home
292: Downloads
293: Community Forums
294: Member Screenshots
295: Community Forums
296: Downloads
297: Community Forums
298: Photo Gallery
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Member Screenshots
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Downloads
307: Community Forums
308: News
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Home
313: Community Forums
314: Home
315: Home
316: Community Forums
317: Photo Gallery
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Photo Gallery
323: Statistics
324: Home
325: Your Account
326: Community Forums
327: News Archive
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Photo Gallery
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Photo Gallery
342: Photo Gallery
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: CPGlang
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Home
353: Community Forums
354: Home
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Home
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: News Archive
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Home
372: Member Screenshots
373: Community Forums
374: CPGlang
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Photo Gallery
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Home
385: Photo Gallery
386: Community Forums
387: Home
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Photo Gallery
391: Community Forums
392: Photo Gallery
393: Community Forums
394: Photo Gallery
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Downloads
398: Community Forums
399: Photo Gallery
400: Home
401: Community Forums
402: Photo Gallery
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Photo Gallery
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Photo Gallery
410: Community Forums
411: Downloads
412: Photo Gallery
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: Photo Gallery
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Member Screenshots
423: Photo Gallery
424: Photo Gallery
425: Photo Gallery
426: Photo Gallery
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Member Screenshots
430: Home
431: News Archive
432: Community Forums
433: Photo Gallery
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Home
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: News Archive
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Photo Gallery
455: Photo Gallery
456: Member Screenshots
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Downloads
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: CPGlang
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Your Account
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: CPGlang
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: News
481: Community Forums
482: Photo Gallery
483: Photo Gallery
484: Downloads
485: Community Forums
486: Photo Gallery
487: Home
488: Community Forums
489: Downloads
490: Downloads
491: Community Forums
492: Home
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Photo Gallery
496: Home
497: Downloads
498: Member Screenshots
499: Photo Gallery
500: Community Forums
501: Photo Gallery
502: Photo Gallery
503: CPGlang
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Home
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Your Account
512: Community Forums
513: Home
514: Community Forums
515: Home
516: Community Forums
517: Downloads
518: Photo Gallery
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Photo Gallery
522: Home
523: Downloads
524: Community Forums
525: Home
526: CPGlang
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Photo Gallery
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: News
534: Downloads
535: Community Forums
536: Home
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Your Account
540: Photo Gallery
541: Community Forums
542: Photo Gallery
543: Statistics
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Home
547: Community Forums
548: Home
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Photo Gallery
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Downloads
555: Photo Gallery
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Photo Gallery
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Home
564: Photo Gallery
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Photo Gallery
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Home
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Downloads
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Member Screenshots
584: Home
585: Downloads
586: Photo Gallery
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Member Screenshots
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: CPGlang
594: Photo Gallery
595: Community Forums
596: Community Forums
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Home
600: Member Screenshots
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Home
605: Photo Gallery
606: Your Account
607: Photo Gallery
608: Community Forums
609: Photo Gallery
610: Home
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Photo Gallery
615: Statistics
616: Community Forums
617: Photo Gallery
618: Community Forums
619: Photo Gallery
620: Home
621: Community Forums
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Member Screenshots
625: Community Forums
626: Community Forums
627: CPGlang
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Community Forums
636: Home
637: Member Screenshots
638: Your Account
639: Photo Gallery
640: Statistics
641: Community Forums
642: Home
643: Your Account
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Photo Gallery
647: Photo Gallery
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
A rare WW2 tank is gone..
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:57 am
Post subject: A rare WW2 tank is gone..



I was back at the Batterie Todt - Atlantic Wall Museum in Audinghen, Northern France this week-end. I was very surprised not to see their A13 Cruiser Mk III in front of the museum, and asked where it is now.

The guy from the museum told me that the hull and turret had large cracks and that nothing was done for years. Sand and salt made the situation even worse, and the tank simply collapsed and fall in several metal bits. The guy also told me that it took them 2 weeks to remove all the metal fragments, and that everything went to scrap, sadly.

Fortunately, they didn't scrap the K5 gun for the moment

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:05 am
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

As impervious to the elements as these steel beasts seem to the uninitiated, they aren't. Steel beasts above water are about as durable as wooden ships below it, which is why everyone's efforts at documenting the ones left is so important. Since they're not important to most people, you're the only patrons these artifacts have and every picture taken and shared will someday be priceless, since the items themselves won't last a hundred years in the elements. They'll be more valuable as scrap to somebody else.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bialy-r
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 06, 2009
Posts: 1233
Location: POLAND
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:11 am
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

I’m shocked.

How could they scrap the tank ?
Back to top
View user's profile
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:25 am
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

- bialy-r
I’m shocked.

How could they scrap the tank ?


It was in very, very bad shape and was something that has been pointed out here and on other forums for years. If it indeed collapsed my guess is that there was not much to salvage. I seem to remember that when discussed a couple of years ago the consensus was pretty much that it was a "goner" already, beyond anything more than a costly stabilizing cosmetic restoration.

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:34 am
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

- the_shadock
Fortunately, they didn't scrap the K5 gun for the moment


What's the status of the K5. Do you have a walkaround of it?

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
bialy-r
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 06, 2009
Posts: 1233
Location: POLAND
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:23 am
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

- Rikard_Hufschmied


It was in very, very bad shape and was something that has been pointed out here and on other forums for years. If it indeed collapsed my guess is that there was not much to salvage. I seem to remember that when discussed a couple of years ago the consensus was pretty much that it was a "goner" already, beyond anything more than a costly stabilizing cosmetic restoration.


It was the only A13 Cruiser Mk III tank in France, they could done more than simply scrap every element of it.
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:17 pm
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

- Massimo_Foti
- the_shadock
Fortunately, they didn't scrap the K5 gun for the moment


What's the status of the K5. Do you have a walkaround of it?

Massimo


Yes I do Mr. Green

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:34 pm
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

- the_shadock
Yes I do Mr. Green


Great.

I will follow up off-line. Thanks

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:47 pm
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..





that's it for the moment.. these pictures were taken on last Friday.

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:58 pm
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

Well, they repainted the gun since last time I saw pictures of it

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:03 pm
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..





yes, at least the main piece's exterior, but neither the bogies, nor the smaller part with the ammo crane and cart..

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:14 pm
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

The howitzer in the last shot lloks like a 152 mm vz 18-47. Basically a german sFH 18, modified by czechoslovakian army after WW II. See more here:
www.com-central.net/in...ic&t=11486

Since they have an OT-810 I guess they've got them together

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:24 pm
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

and the donkeys look like the "models" or "types" used by some armies to carry ammunition and food... especially the Free French Army in Italy during the battle of the Garigliano.



P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Koluchiy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 19, 2009
Posts: 178

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:17 pm
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

I am remembering plenty of swear words that are always spoken about preservation of historical machines in Russia.

I can only advice to europeans to watch better over their own techniks, because as it is visible the preservation of machines in Europe is far from the dreams.

_________________
RTY on other forums;

Looking for Pz.IV manuals D 653/2 Erzatsteilliste(pictures), D 653/10, D 653/25 (Handbuch fur den Panzerfahrer), D 653/50b, D 653/50c, D653/51
Looking for Maybach HL120 repair instruction...
(Copyes or scans)
Can pay money or exchange
Back to top
View user's profile
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:25 am
Post subject: Re: A rare WW2 tank is gone..

- Koluchiy
I am remembering plenty of swear words that are always spoken about preservation of historical machines in Russia.

I can only advice to europeans to watch better over their own techniks, because as it is visible the preservation of machines in Europe is far from the dreams.


Let's not start that again. Neglect is, sad to say, universal.

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum