#1: Trevor: Aberdeen Elefant Hull Number? Author: Neil_Baumgardner, Location: Arlington, VAPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:01 am ---- According to your link it has Hull, or Fahrgestell, Number 150040.
But according to Thomas Jentz, Museum Ordnance Special Number 4: Elefant Panzerjager Tiger(P), p 3, it is 150071 (supposedly from a plate inside the superstructure)....
Any reason not to believe Jentz?
Neil
#2: Re: Trevor: Aberdeen Elefant Hull Number? Author: TrevorLarkum, Location: Northampton, EnglandPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:21 pm ---- Neil, as it says there my source was Lee Archer, author of the Panzerwrecks series. In a letter of 6th September 1995 he enclosed notes on various vehicles including "Elefant. Aberdeen. Fgst nr 150040. Tac nr 102. Captured Italy 1944." That's all I have - sight of the data plate would be good (it wasn't in that previous thread of data plates was it?).
#3: Re: Trevor: Aberdeen Elefant Hull Number? Author: Neil_Baumgardner, Location: Arlington, VAPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:38 pm ---- Okay, I'm gonna rely on Jentz since he provides a pretty detailed account of the vehicle's history and appears to have first-hand knowledge...
Neil
#4: Re: Trevor: Aberdeen Elefant Hull Number? Author: Neil_Baumgardner, Location: Arlington, VAPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:53 am ---- Here's my new footnote for the Elefant:
"Has hull number 150071, accepted in April 1943, took part in Operation Citadel (Battle of Kursk) in July 1943, and fought in Italy from February – June 1944 until it was captured the U.S. Army, according to Thomas Jentz, Museum Ordnance Special Number 4: Elefant Panzerjager Tiger(P) (Darlington, MD: Darlington Productions, 1995), p 3-4."
Neil
#5: Re: Trevor: Aberdeen Elefant Hull Number? Author: vagabond, Location: Constantly moving across USPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:12 am ---- As a point of interest:
I met Jentz at Aberdeen when he was taking measurements of the Elefant.
Mrs VB and I were passing by the area and stopped in. I was excited to see the Elefant repainted and sitting in the lot and went to look at it. There was a guy taking measurements with a tape measure. I offered to help and ended up having a delightful conversation with him.
At the time I had no idea who he was and that I really ought to have known!!! It wasn't until I met a docent at the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa and mentioned Jentz to him that I found out who he was. I thought he was just some guy that knew a lot about German Armor. What a trip!
He had written down a ton of info about the Elefant so it wouldn't surprise me if he managed to get inside.
Cheers!
#6: Re: Trevor: Aberdeen Elefant Hull Number? Author: TrevorLarkum, Location: Northampton, EnglandPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:07 pm ---- Yes, I have a lot of respect for Mr Jentz so I would go with his assessment - it sound like he had it first hand, whereas I don't know the original source of the information I had.
#7: Re: Trevor: Aberdeen Elefant Hull Number? Author: JimWeb, Location: The back of beyondPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:04 pm ---- Speaking of the Elefant - anyone got any images of the underside?