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#1: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: Neil_Baumgardner, Location: Arlington, VA

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:03 am
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Per the website:

www.wheatcroftcollecti.../home.html

"26.06.07
"New vehicle include a Sherman (Composite) with bulldozer blade, a Valentine Archer, a Krupp Protze, a Pzkw IV Ausf. J. Aslo [sic] two forty foot loads of various spare parts arrived. One of these loads was spares for Radial engines, most of which were brand new and still packed in cosmoline.
"The second load included concrete turrets and some King Tiger spares. Typically spares are collected and stored overseas until a full load is complete, then it is shipped.
"Work has commenced on preparing a second Panther hull for restoration.
"In July a fully restored and running SdKfz 251 Ausf D will be arriving. We are planning to carry out a full study and hopefully some video when it appears."

It appears these came from Latrun in Israel. The Archer is almost certainly ex-Egyptian.

Here's some photo galleries of the new arrivals:
www.wheatcroftcollecti...dozer.html
www.wheatcroftcollecti...rcher.html
www.wheatcroftcollecti...zkpfj.html
www.wheatcroftcollecti...lytur.html
www.wheatcroftcollecti...oving.html

Neil

#2: Re: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: the_shadock, Location: Normandy, France

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:26 am
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I wonder how many more Panzer IVs does the Latrun museum own "under the fence" ..

#3: Re: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: Roy_A_Lingle, Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:59 am
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Hi Folks!

Very interesting Composite hull Sherman. Correct me if I am wrong again, but were not all the 105 how Shermans based on M4A0 and M4A3 hulls?

Sgt, Scouts Out!

#4: Re: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: A2_Prius,

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:14 am
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"When are you going to clean up the garage?!?!?"

"Honey, I'll get to it as soon as I can!!"

#5: Re: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: Rikard_Hufschmied, Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:41 am
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- the_shadock

I wonder how many more Panzer IVs does the Latrun museum own "under the fence" ..

... and Stug's!

#6: Re: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: Hanno_Spoelstra,

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:45 pm
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- Roy_A_Lingle

Correct me if I am wrong again, but were not all the 105 how Shermans based on M4A0 and M4A3 hulls?

Yes, only M4(105) and M4A3(105)'s rolled off the prodcution line. Must have been cobbled up by the French ro Israelis.

Hanno

#7: Re: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: toadmanstankpictures,

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:16 pm
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I wonder what Latrun received in exchange for the the M4 as this was the only M4 Composite they had.

#8: Re: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: Neil_Baumgardner, Location: Arlington, VA

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:31 pm
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Yet another case of never say never with Shermans...

Neil

#9: Re: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: bsmart, Location: Central Maryland

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:37 am
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- Hanno_Spoelstra

- Roy_A_Lingle

Correct me if I am wrong again, but were not all the 105 how Shermans based on M4A0 and M4A3 hulls?

Yes, only M4(105) and M4A3(105)'s rolled off the prodcution line. Must have been cobbled up by the French ro Israelis.

Hanno

But isn't a composite hull Sherman an M-4. I don't think it got a new designation so if alll 105mm Shermans are M4 or M4A3 than it is possible that a composite hull Sherman was built with a 105. (I'm not saying it happened just that it can't be ruled out by that limitation)

#10: Re: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: toadmanstankpictures,

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:08 am
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- bsmart

- Hanno_Spoelstra

- Roy_A_Lingle

Correct me if I am wrong again, but were not all the 105 how Shermans based on M4A0 and M4A3 hulls?

Yes, only M4(105) and M4A3(105)'s rolled off the prodcution line. Must have been cobbled up by the French ro Israelis.

Hanno

But isn't a composite hull Sherman an M-4.

Yes.

- bsmart

I don't think it got a new designation so if alll 105mm Shermans are M4 or M4A3 than it is possible that a composite hull Sherman was built with a 105. (I'm not saying it happened just that it can't be ruled out by that limitation)

With the exception of the pilot M4(105) which was built on a composite hull and still survives in Michigan, 105 howitzer Shermans were produced on M4(welded hull) and M4A3. The M4(105) on the composite hull that Wheatcroft has is ex-Israeli and was probably converted to a 105 by them. Furthermore, it was just "found" on an Israeli Army base within the past few years and was part of the Latrun collection. However, it was not on display there.

#11: Re: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: Roy_A_Lingle, Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:34 pm
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Hi Bob! Hi Folks!

- bsmart

But isn't a composite hull Sherman an M-4.

Yes.

- bsmart

I don't think it got a new designation so if all 105mm Shermans are M4 or M4A3 than it is possible that a composite hull Sherman was built with a 105. (I'm not saying it happened just that it can't be ruled out by that limitation)

The M4A0 Shermans that were build as 105 How tanks used the later production hulls which had the larger hatchs.

The earlier M4A0 Shermans that were first build with the smaller hatchs were the ones that where later converted to the composite hull with the harger hatchs.

If a/some composite/s was build with a 105 how and shipped overseas, that would be a new fact in the history of the Sherman.
Sense this vehicle came from Israel, then it's just another one of their mix and match parts program to field the max number of tanks.

Either way, it is a very rare Sherman.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

#12: Re: New Wheatcroft Collection Acquisitions Author: Garry_Redmon, Location: Kentucky

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:23 pm
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One observation on the Panzer IV. It looks like it had the late-war one piece hatch that the Syrians cut in half and made into a split hatch.

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