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Cobra King (reposted updates)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:58 pm
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- Dontos
Yes, that is the plan.

One of the issues has been trying to figure out the stencilling under the 'First In Bastogne'. Since only the one photo seems to exist, its been a bit difficult trying to 'read' the side of CK. With the assistance of a number of sources, we think we have an idea of what is stencilled on the tank based on photographic examples of other tanks.

Its amazing how much background information has been learned from 'photo-forensics'. This way, once CK is finally completed and exhibited (where ever that might be...?!) she should be near identical to the Dec 44 photograph.

I hope to be able to be onhand to see that. It would be a personal sense of gratification to see it completed.

At least that is the goal of the current project.

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Hi,

So, reading between the lines of your post...is it too much to hope for that CK will be staying at Knox? Or do they (Benning) plan to snap it up once all of the restoration is complete?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:08 pm
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I am curious about the manner in which Cobra King is supported.

Generally, supports that are not significantly wider than they are tall will be prone to rolling.

In this case, the supports are three timbers wide and three timbers high.

The supports are also composed of multiple individual timbers, which would seem to make the situation less stable.

I know that safety is a major part of training as a volunteer at the museum and would like to know what is done that is making this safer than I think.
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Yes, that is the plan.

One of the issues has been trying to figure out the stencilling under the 'First In Bastogne'. Since only the one photo seems to exist, its been a bit difficult trying to 'read' the side of CK. With the assistance of a number of sources, we think we have an idea of what is stencilled on the tank based on photographic examples of other tanks.

Its amazing how much background information has been learned from 'photo-forensics'. This way, once CK is finally completed and exhibited (where ever that might be...?!) she should be near identical to the Dec 44 photograph.

I hope to be able to be onhand to see that. It would be a personal sense of gratification to see it completed.

At least that is the goal of the current project.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:28 pm
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Will it be restored with the famous "First in Bastogne" graffiti?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:03 pm
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I received some welcomed news last night. Work continues on CK and with the greatful help of the Motor Pool Staff, here is how Cobra King appears now.





With some work to remove the troublesome #1 L/S & #1 R/S bogie asseblies the entire suspension is removed.

Here is another sample of original paint from under the #1 R/S assembly.


Thanks to Chun for the photos & update. I hope to be able to spend some time on CK tomorrow. Work will continue...

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A staggering thought, that an unknown individual (or family) could have Cobra Kings logbook stashed away.....!?


Someone might have, but they probably got thrown out along with other stuff when that person got too old and shuffled/pawned of to a retirement community and their possessions were rifled through by greedy opportunistic distant kin trying to make a quick buck that have no idea that old junk "Grandpa" kept might be of some historical value.

My advice to all that have stuff like this is to make it known to family or have a will to prevent it's loss. Remember, the old saying works in reverse too,

"One Mans' treasure is another Mans' trash" Confused

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:18 pm
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Someone actually put the manuals where they are supposed to go-impressive!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:08 pm
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Kurt

I was thinking that these suppliments were handed out during the 'upgun' modifications.

Since they appear to be 'new' or at least not showing any signs of day to day field use, I assume the manuals were never used by the crew, just stashed away.

The more common use manuals would have been 'dog-eared' and dirty. Perhaps kept in the BOG or drivers compartment for easier access by the individuals more likely to use them. In which case, those manuals and/or maint log book would have been either destroyed by the interior fire, or taken by a 'Souvenir hunter' at any point in CKs, post war years.

A staggering thought, that an unknown individual (or family) could have Cobra Kings logbook stashed away.....!?

THAT would be an unbelievable find....!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:33 pm
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Interesting that they have the preliminary operating instructions rather than a TM, and a M10A1 SNL (same engine and drivetrain) rather than one for the M4A3 or the M4A3E2 supplement.
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Geoff,
Please email me at mhaines75 (at)woh.rr.com
I have a couple new Schweinfurt photos that you might like for your website.


Don,
that find is the kind of thing I beleive we all dream of. Great stuff!!!


Thanks,
Mike Haines
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:50 pm
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WOW!!! I was speechless when I read this and saw these photos! What a great find, Don!

"fuel can nozzle" ... yeah, we all know what it's REALLY called. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:14 pm
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Wow!! Incredible find!! They certainly need to go on display with Cobra King after the restoration is finished.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:57 pm
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An interesting find today, while taking some detailed photos of Cobra Kings hull interior stowage racks....



For the first time, I happened to notice that one of the compartments was closed. Never really paid attention to it, until today.

The securing latch was locked so I popped it open and opened the door, only to find.....



It appears that this equipment has been sitting in this compartment since 1945!!!

The fuel can nozzle and original operator manuals were hiding in Cobra King, waiting for someone to find them.







A truely amazing AND very unexpected find !! In total there were 5 manuals.

Left there by the final crew members of Cobra King in March 1945! Unbelievable!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:50 pm
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Well done!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:09 pm
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Just wanted to update those of y'all who might be interested.

Yesterday, we reached an important goal on Cobra King. After several months of trying to remove the roadwheels, a task that has proven a whole lot more difficult than envisioned,.....WE DID IT!! (yeah)

After a long process of tool fabrications, the last two RWs were removed from CK.

The replacement RWs have been exchanged and await the time when they will be installed on CK.

Paint removal continues using various methods continues.

The replacement track with the 'Duckbill end-connectors' is being tinkered with to ensure its proper length. The track has 84 blocks per side, and CK requires only 78 blocks per side, so we are seperating the excess blocks. Those will inturn be used to mount in the spare block racks on the rear of Cobra King.

Gsrry should have some good photos to post on AFTA, so stay tuned for updates.

As always, the work continues
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