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bialy-r · Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: Re: UK AFV Register

- bialy-r

ossie

I'm interested what vehicles the Bovington Tank Museum have in more then one example?

(fore example: Churchill MK VII AVRE have they two tanks because I have different photos)

ossie could you helped me with that?

Do you have maybe or could made a photo of Light Tank Mk IV?

Rafal

ossie · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Aug 20, 2006 Posts: 81

hi

you might like this little lot i took 90% today.
s841.photobucket.com/a...%20museum/

i know there is another candain leo 1 and is used for displays teyre is also a intrim chieftain avre
matilda target is still workshop yard.
chally and conq still at stanley
rest i dont a reason to go into the camps so access restricted.
ossie

Neil_Baumgardner · Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: UK AFV Register

- L.Delsing

I'am very interested in the serials of the following tanks;

T-34/85s
T-54A (I only have a part of the sn, 540.09.)

The museum reports the same for the T-54M

www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

T-55AD (Iraq)

The museum calls that one a T-55K...

There's also the following two:

T-55 SOV/POL? ind SN 736KY4785

www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

T-55A SOV/DDR ind SN 47WN20306; cutaway hull

www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

Type 59 (the one with the 105mm gun and British smoke grenade launchers

The museum website hasnt acknowledged that one yet...

Type 69 (stored, sn and is this one former operated by Iraq or China?)

There's a Type 69-IIC SN B10861009

www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

Also Leopard 1A1A2 rn and s/n

I am aware of a Leopard 1 series III prototype, and two Canadian Leopard C2 (1A5)s? I have info on the prototype, and one of the C2s...

Neil

L.Delsing · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Feb 10, 2006 Posts: 960

I'am very interested in the serials of the following tanks;

T-34/85s
T-54A (I only have a part of the sn, 540.09.)
T-55AD (Iraq)
Type 59 (the one with the 105mm gun and British smoke grenade launchers
Type 69 (stored, sn and is this one former operated by Iraq or China?)

Also Leopard 1A1A2 rn and s/n

Thanks in advance
Lesley

Michel_Krauss · Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: UK AFV Register

Ossie, thanks much for the info.

ossie wrote:
hi

Ok yes there is a Canadian Ram OUTSIDE ATDU and is inside there compound fence with a NO PHOTOGRAPH policy enforced. when I go to work Monday I try and write the serial number down but they don’t like u there .

Understood. I am curious if this is the Ram II target tank (WD No. CT159418) that was on display in the museum.
www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

there has been an discussion about this one in the "Grizzly and Sexton Versions" thread
www.com-central.net/in...mp;t=12327

This Ram is "Ram ETT Lit; Evasive Target Tank" and is actually an Dutch tank

It has been exchanged against the Canadian Grizzly tank now at museum in Groesbeek

So in the UK AFV register the users are CAN/NLD Wink

I you are interrested in this type of tank, I have have picture's of the one at the Cavalery museum at Amersfoort

Michel

Neil_Baumgardner · Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: UK AFV Register

Ossie,
Is this the listing for the Lynx?

www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

Thanks,

Neil

Neil_Baumgardner · Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:09 am Post subject: Re: UK AFV Register

Ossie, thanks much for the info.

- ossie

hi

Ok yes there is a Canadian Ram OUTSIDE ATDU and is inside there compound fence with a NO PHOTOGRAPH policy enforced. when I go to work Monday I try and write the serial number down but they don’t like u there .

Understood. I am curious if this is the Ram II target tank (WD No. CT159418) that was on display in the museum.
www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

Otherwise, other Rams in the UK I know of are: the Wheatcroft Ram Mk II recovered from Pirbright, the East of England Tank Museum's Ram Mk I, the Ram Mk II on the Salisbury Plain, the Ram Mk II at the Anzio / Leek Training Area, and Carl Brown's 2 Ram Mk IIs.

I find a Ram to be an odd choice for the ATDU display vehicle, although I suppose they might have wanted something odd Wink

M60s one is Bovington’s other was at East England Tank museum. One that use to be the one displayed at the WAR Peace show.

To make sure I understand, are you saying the East of England Tank Museum's M60A3 is now at Bovington (the second M60A3 at Bovington)?

Centurion Bridgelayer was scrapped; I have a picture of it cut in two.

Got it.

Churchill AVRE 165 no longer at Bovington.

Is that the one one (VRN 39ZR17) that was on display at Royal Wessex Yeomanry, Allenby Barracks, Amiens Rd?
freespace.virgin.net/c...39zr17.jpg

Or one of the two in storage? Such as VRN 33ZR17 freespace.virgin.net/c...iiavre.jpg

Where did it, whichever one, go?

Centurion Mk11 which was outside DM school is now in tank museums yard ,it rotten and tracks cut off and on the engine deck
05sp 50 kahlid referancer vehicle in wkshps
01eb21 CHAVRE wkshps
01FD48 AVLB Wkshps

Got it, thanks.

Valentine Mk2 T16065 MANCHESTER museum

Got it already

Valentine Mk II GBR ind WD No. T16065; “Manchester;” runner
www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

Valentine Mk9 T123358 museum

Looks like its a new addition inside the museum, thanks.

Valentine Bridgelayer T16278 museum

Got it already

Valentine Bridgelayer GBR ind WD No. T16278

www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

A13 T9143 museum

This is actually T4425 according to the museum. It's just painted T9143.

www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

Vickers 16ton T10674 museum

Is this a A6 Medium III 16-tonner? I wasnt aware there were any survivors...

Or a Vickers 6-tonner / Vickers Armstrong Mk E Type B

www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

WARRIOR OP 44KG45 museum
CHIEFTAIN 05EB65 museum
M114 Lynx wkhps

All in the museum right?

Cougar ex Canadian wkhsp

Got it.

Strv103 2231 museum

Thanks for the RN.

Strv 104 80342 museum

Got it already

S-104C Centurion Mk 3 GBR/SWE ind VRN 05BA71, Swedish RN 80 342

www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

Matilda a11 Mk1 HMH802 and PMX466 demon museum

I was under the impression that HMH802 was privately owned?

64kg87 challenger 1 mk3 gun tank in museum

Got it already

Challenger 1 Mk 3 GBR ind VRN 64KG87; Gulf War veteran

www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...lity_type=

If you want I go this weekend and photograph complete museum that is excisable what pictures would u like email me on ossie262 @ hotmail.co.uk

Only items in the museum I need pics for would be (mostly the additions you gave):

A15 Cruiser Mk VI Crusader III turret GBR ind
Chieftain Mk 2 AVRE GBR out VRN 05EB65
Lynx USA/CAN ind
Warrior MAOV GBR ind VRN 44KG45

I will be going there so no problem, will be going in to workshops probably end of March and yard around April

I could use pics of the following from the storage sheds & yards.

2S3 SOV std
A15 Crusader turret GBR std
A22 Churchill Mk IV AVRE GBR std
A22 Churchill dynometer GBR std
A24 Cruiser Mk VII Cavalier GBR wre Only surviving example?
AMX VTT/PC FRA std RN 638-0343; from Saumur in 1987
BTR-? SOV std
Centurion Mk 12 GBR std VRN 43BA17; poss. misidentification
Centurion Mk 12H AVRE 105 GBR std VRN 44BA17; served with BAOR
Centurion Mk 13 GBR std VRN 43BA71
Centurion AVLB GBR std?
Challenger 1 Mk 1 GBR std? VRN 05SP68
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR std VRN 01EB46
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR std VRN 01EB49
Chieftain Mk 2 GBR std VRN 03EB83
Chieftain Mk 5 GBR std VRN 00FD69
Chieftain Mk 11 GBR std VRN 03EB90
Chieftain 800/900 GBR std VRN 56MS09
Chieftain ARRV GBR std Workshop vehicle
Chieftain Mk 5 AVLB GBR std VRN 01FD48
Chieftain Mk 2 AVRE GBR std VRN 01EB21
Conqueror prototype GBR std Prototype P7; has commentator box
Cougar AVGP GBR ind
Khalid GBR std VRN 05SP50; former trials vehicle
Light Tank Mk IV GBR std Only surviving example
M4A2E8 Sherman Easy Eight USA/GBR std WD No. T224875; Runner; ex RMCS
M47 Patton USA/BEL std? Acquired from Belgian Army in 1973
M47 Patton USA/ITA std? Originally designated to be target
M59 USA/GBR std VRN 93BA38; used for trials
M548 USA std VRN 95KF48; used for rides
M548 USA std Used for rides
T-34/85 SOV std?
YW-701 CHN std

camps different story

How about just identification of what is on display where, with VRN if possible - without pictures?

email me and I send you some interesting pictures .
Ossie

I'm in the midst of a move to a new apartment, but will e-mail you soon.

Thanks.

Neil

ossie · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Aug 20, 2006 Posts: 81

hi

Ok yes there is a Canadian Ram OUTSIDE ATDU and is inside there compound fence with a NO PHOTOGRAPH policy enforced. when I go to work Monday I try and write the serial number down but they don’t like u there .

M60s one is Bovington’s other was at East England Tank museum. One that use to be the one displayed at the WAR Peace show.
Centurion Bridgelayer was scrapped; I have a picture of it cut in two.
Churchill AVRE 165 no longer at Bovington.
Centurion Mk11 which was outside DM school is now in tank museums yard ,it rotten and tracks cut off and on the engine deck
05sp 50 kahlid referancer vehicle in wkshps
01eb21 CHAVRE wkshps
01FD48 AVLB Wkshps
Valentine Mk2 T16065 MANCHESTER museum
Valentine Mk9 T123358 museum
Valentine Bridgelayer T16278 museum
A13 T9143 museum
Vickers 16ton T10674 museum
WARRIOR OP 44KG45 museum
CHIEFTAIN 05EB65 museum
M114 Lynx wkhps
Cougar ex Canadian wkhsp
Strv103 2231 museum
Strv 104 80342 museum
Matilda a11 Mk1 HMH802 and PMX466 demon museum
64kg87 challenger 1 mk3 gun tank in museum

If you want I go this weekend and photograph complete museum that is excisable what pictures would u like email me on ossie262 @ hotmail.co.uk
I will be going there so no problem, will be going in to workshops probably end of March and yard around April
So let me know what u want. camps different story
email me and I send you some interesting pictures .
Ossie

Neil_Baumgardner · Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: UK AFV Register

- the_shadock

- Neil_Baumgardner

PzKpfw VI(P) King Tiger DEU ind Hull no. 280093, turret no. 104 32

I believe that this is a Henschel tank and not a Porsche one..

P-O

Thanks for the correction, P-O!

Neil

Neil_Baumgardner · Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: UK AFV Register

- ossie

Hi

sorry but bovington list is WRONG big time sorry alot have since gone or destroyed

ossie, appreciate the input - but would really appreciate some constructive input. I'm gonna try not to take umbrage, but "ALL wrong" clearly isnt correct - I have photo evidence, if not Tank Museum information on most vehicles. But as you have identified, the most circumspect listings are the display vehicles around post not directly associated with the museum. As I said, I will gladly take any constructive corrections - as I said, its just a draft...

44BA17 Centurion Mk 12h 105mm AVRE no H engine fitted. or dozer blade

Thanks for the correction.

got two m60a3s

Okay, thanks - I only had photo evidence and info from the TACOM Central Registry for one M60A3.

M48
M47

Have the M48 listed (although the museum claims it is a T48), wasnt aware of an M47.

Centurion AVLB no longer exsists
Chieftain AVLB 01FD48 is there my old tank . forget the chieftain AVRES most are scrap except two at bovington tank museum,
a AVLB and THREE DIFFERANT AVRES a centurion AVLB AND ARK are at R.E.Museum Chatham.
I surggest that you stick to non in service vehicles ie those not in ARMY USE .

I have struggled with how to differentiate non-service vehicles from in-service vehicles since my main source for Chieftains is Griffin's book and the Tank Museum's Chieftain register - both of which are likely increasingly out of date.

This also leaves various notable/historic "training aid" vehicles - such as the Conquerors at Bordon, Bovington (assuming they are still in use).

Would appreciate constructive advice/inputs on how to best differentiate these...

only a ram out side ATDU .

As in a Canadian Ram tank???

no chieftains on TANK PARK or Heath but some on lulworth tank ranges awaiting destruction along with AVREs and ARVs.

one day i take a walk around and rewrite your list as its ALL wrong . but unable to help with serving vehicles.
i live three miles from tank museum and work at Bovington camp as a cival servant

Ossie, I would greatly appreciate the info you can provide. In addition to what is currently on display I would also be interested in the fates of vehicles that were previously on display.

Neil

the_shadock · Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: UK AFV Register

- Neil_Baumgardner

PzKpfw VI(P) King Tiger DEU ind Hull no. 280093, turret no. 104 32

I believe that this is a Henschel tank and not a Porsche one..

P-O

the_shadock · Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: UK AFV Register

- ossie

one day i take a walk around and rewrite your list as its ALL wrong
Ossie

that's quite a strict judgement... Neutral

P-O

bialy-r · Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: UK AFV Register

ossie

I'm interested what vehicles the Bovington Tank Museum have in more then one example?

(fore example: Churchill MK VII AVRE have they two tanks because I have different photos)

ossie · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Aug 20, 2006 Posts: 81

Hi

sorry but bovington list is WRONG big time sorry alot have since gone or destroyed

44BA17 Centurion Mk 12h 105mm AVRE no H engine fitted. or dozer blade

got two m60a3s
M48
M47

Centurion AVLB no longer exsists
Chieftain AVLB 01FD48 is there my old tank . forget the chieftain AVRES most are scrap except two at bovington tank museum,
a AVLB and THREE DIFFERANT AVRES a centurion AVLB AND ARK are at R.E.Museum Chatham.
I surggest that you stick to non in service vehicles ie those not in ARMY USE .

only a ram out side ATDU .
no chieftains on TANK PARK or Heath but some on lulworth tank ranges awaiting destruction along with AVREs and ARVs.

one day i take a walk around and rewrite your list as its ALL wrong . but unable to help with serving vehicles.
i live three miles from tank museum and work at Bovington camp as a cival servant
Ossie

TrevorLarkum · Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:22 am Post subject: Re: UK AFV Register

I'm still working on Preserved Tanks in Britain (I guess most of our discussions about it were lost in the forum crash at the end of last year). I'm currently putting Duxford online, when I have spare time, and then Muckleburgh, Bovington, Isle of Wight, Imperial War Museum and Dinscot will follow.

Preserved Tanks in Britain

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