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zemsi · Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 9:07 am Post subject: dummy weapon

Hi Jiri

I don't have any further information about the dummy gun. All what I know is from Massimo.

Greetings
Chris

JiriTintera

Dear zemsi,
ever received the imitation weapons? Not serve to the end of his career to training?

Sincerely JRT

zemsi · Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 8:30 am Post subject: both tanks

... what a beautiful sight

zemsi · Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 8:29 am Post subject: M+78587

... and some more

zemsi · Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 8:27 am Post subject: M+78587

... and here are the pics from M+78587, also freshly painted

zemsi · Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 8:18 am Post subject: M+7561

... and here some more. She's standing next to M+78587

zemsi · Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 8:17 am Post subject: M+7561

... here are some pics of the freshly painted (schattenschwarz) M+7561 from Burgdorf

zemsi · Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: M+ numbers

- Massimo_Foti

Thun. Army base. R/N 78587
Used as monument inside the base, the R/N indeed looks weird, and it could easily be a mistake

I've got an official army list from 1960. The M+ numbers for 23 (?) Panzerwagen 39 "Praga" were M+78900 - 78922. It looks by then that 1 Praga was already put ouf of service (reason unknown).

M+78587 is a registration number for a Centurion Mk3.

Greetings
Chris

Massimo_Foti

- zemsi

What do u mean by "Not accessible"? Last year there were over 4000 visitors. You just have to join a group visit. Very easy to do that. Will be there next week and try to take some pics...

It's not like a museum open to the general public.

www.armeemuseum.ch/ind...=6&L=1
Visits to the HSAM Foundation collections in Thun, Burgdorf and Bern are possible in guided groups and by appointment

Places like Wildegg or Schaffausen open just a few days a year, but at least they have a clear schedule, I can read the schedule on their website, be there on the date/time that fits my needs and visit.

As for being "very easy", I asked twice by email in the past, to the address listed on the page above. I wrote in English and never got an answer.

Massimo

zemsi

What do u mean by "Not accessible"? Last year there were over 4000 visitors. You just have to join a group visit. Very easy to do that. Will be there next week and try to take some pics...

Massimo_Foti

- the_shadock

I like the idea that Burgdorf will display the real tank beside its "Panzerattrappe" training version.

Unfortunately the collection in Burgdorf isn't accessible and I wonder for how long it will stay that way Crying or Very sad

Massimo

the_shadock

great news. I like the idea that Burgdorf will display the real tank beside its "Panzerattrappe" training version.

P-O

zemsi

Hi Massimo

Vugelles: Great news, now we only have to find period pics which show this dummy tank in action.

Greetings
Chris

Massimo_Foti

I was at Thun for the annual assembly of Armeemusem Association. And I collected some interesting info:

- The tank near Thun's sport field is now in Burgdorf:
preservedtanks.com/Pro...queID=1211

- The tank in Vugelles is a unique, special vehicle, it's a "Panzerattrappe", a training version, the gun is a dummy, but it was like that whenever it was in service, it wasn't added just for display purposes. The rails around the turret is another special feature of this unique vehicle:
preservedtanks.com/Pro...queID=1253
This tank is now in Burgdorf too.

Ideally at least one of these will be restored to running conditions.

Massimo

zemsi

- Massimo_Foti

Thanks to Martin Haudenschild I learned there are 3 more tanks I've never heard of before. All of them belong to the Swiss Army and are located inside military areas. None of them is in running order:

- Bure. Two tanks

- Vegelles. R/N 7561

... just to keep this thread up to date, the 3 missing tanks have been updated on Trevors site:
- Vugelles La Mothe
- [url=preservedtanks.com/Profile.aspx?UniqueID=1258]Bure Praga 1[/url]
- [url=preservedtanks.com/Profile.aspx?UniqueID=1259]Bure Praga 2[/url]

Greetings
Chris

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