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Focus on the M47
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Just checked the two wrecks here in Brasschaat and they are both lefthand drives.


I have to correct myself, seems we had left and righthand drives in the Belgian Army.
Found this picture from a M47 with righthand drive and ammunition stowage on the left site:

Source: M47 from 1ste Gidsen
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Today I spent some time in RMP. I did a photo comparison of the 3 T47s that are actually now quite close to each other.

Here are a few notes:

'Cutaway' is SN 20.


Each of the 3 M47s mounts a different muzzle break.







The Belgian M47 RN painted on plate is 53892. I did locate a 'plate' on the rear with same RN.





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Thanks for the help, guys. So far I have updated the text, location and photo's for just the cutaway one, I hope to get to the others tomorrow.

Unique ID 1320: Cutaway M47, RMP Fort Knox

- Doug_Kibbey

Approximately when was the whole sequence of pics taken? Or does that vary?


During my only visit, covering the last week of June and the first week of July in 1983.

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Don

For me its 99.99% sure thats a former Belgian M47. The big question, how did it get there?
When I have time, I will try to find the history of that M47. That should be traceable with the RN and the serial.

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I used a green scrub pad to remove the light coat of paint off the front slope Rn 'plate'.

In Trevors photo it was not visible. It looks like a light coat of cheap paint was painted over the plate to obscure it. In the 80's, she was operational & used during the annual demonstrations that the museum hosted.

When she got here, I'm not sure. But I am convinced she is a former Belgian tank, perhaps arriving after some sort of trade deal, 'back in the day'.

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Good news is I've now updated the Belgian M47 (location, RN/SN, id details, added Don's 13 photos, map):

Unique ID 1321: Belgian M47 at Fort Knox


Bad news is I've revisited the 'cutaway' M47 and it's looks like we are talking about two different tanks (unless they changed the muzzle brake at some point). I believed my photo's were of the M47 before it was cut away, hence the areas marked with crosses in white paint but it must be a different M47:

Unique ID 1320: Cutaway M47 at Fort Knox - actually two different vehicles?

- Dontos
I have located a number of shots of the 'cutaway' M47, before it was cut up. It seems it was on display for a number of years around what looks like Serio Hall.

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Please show them - and anyone else who has some. My 'cutaway M47' has the same muzzle brake as the one now on Stithton Circle but differs in other details, so it looks like we have another (7th) Fort Knox M47.

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Tichner,

Could you see if this M47 was also a former Belgian Army Tank. SN is 3791.

She's in Smyrna Tennessee. The folks who own her thinks she's an M48A2.

M48A2 ????

I believe she was because of the Aux fuel tank brackets, extended tail lamps, and the retention of the track tension wheel in front of the sprocket, something the French and Italian owned tanks had removed.

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M47 SN 3791

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Could you see if this M47 was also a former Belgian Army Tank. SN is 3791.


Joe It could be an Ex-Belgian M47, if they where delivered in sequence there is a very big chance it is. One of the survivers here in Belgium has SN 3785 and to make it even better another one has SN 3792. When I have a chance to make it to the archives I will search for this one to.

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She's in Smyrna Tennessee. The folks who own her thinks she's an M48A2.


She looks pretty good, apart from the "information" plaque.

Did you do your civic duty or just shake your head and leave?
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Unfortunately I don't think anyone there knew how to even spell tank, let alone know one from another.

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I have reworked the M47 entries I have for Fort Knox, specifically I have split the 'cutaway' M47 back into two entries since I no longer believe they are the same vehicle, and I have added Don's two new M47s that I didn't see in my visit. This is all of them:

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Unique ID 1325: Stithton M47

RMP:
Unique ID 1321: Belgian M47

Unique ID 1324: Don's cutaway M47

Unique ID 1326: Don's seizure M47

Unknown (seen in 1983):
Unique ID 1320: My 'cutaway' M47

Unique ID 1322: M47 '3'

Unique ID 1323: M47 '4'

Don, thanks for the recently uploaded extra photos of the cutaway M47, I have added them today.
Please check all these entries when you have the time, including my estimates for photo dates (I noticed some seem to have actual dates in the stored image information, but most just say January 2003). Also, can you say something more about the 'seizure', and is that the same M47 as you have a picture of in photobucket labelled 'Crawfordsville'?

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Trevor

M47 (SN 3200) was received a few years ago in a shipment following a US Govt 'repossession' of loaned vehicles from the Ropkey Armor Museum in Crawfordsville Indiana.

Included were the M47, M42 'Duster', M114, and a towed 8in howitzer.

The M114 & The M42 are now at Ft Benning. The 8in Howitzer is now on static display in front of the museum. (its actually on the pad that the T28 had previously been located on.)

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Trevor

Looks good.

BTW: This is the data plate on the rear of M47 (SN3200).



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That data plate is italian. It says the tank was revisioned by "Officine Fiore", in Caserta, not that far from Naples. Back in those day the Italian Army's tank school was stationed in Caserta (it's now in Lecce)

Hope it will help

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:56 pm
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Trevor

M47 (SN 3200) was received a few years ago in a shipment following a US Govt 'repossession' of loaned vehicles from the Ropkey Armor Museum in Crawfordsville Indiana.

Included were the M47, M42 'Duster', M114, and a towed 8in howitzer.

The M114 & The M42 are now at Ft Benning. The 8in Howitzer is now on static display in front of the museum. (its actually on the pad that the T28 had previously been located on.)

Regards
Don


Don, I've updated the M47 entry with the information and your latest photos:

Unique ID 1326: Ropkey/Fort Knox M47

.. and I've added a new entry for the M42:

Unique ID 1327: Ropkey/Fort Knox/Benning M42

I've also added Geoff Waldens pics from the 'Seen at Boatwright' thread.

Many thanks - and please do let me know if you have any pics of the M42.

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