±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 687
Total: 687
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Downloads
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Home
16: Home
17: Community Forums
18: Downloads
19: Community Forums
20: Photo Gallery
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Photo Gallery
24: Photo Gallery
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Your Account
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Photo Gallery
32: CPGlang
33: Home
34: Downloads
35: Photo Gallery
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Photo Gallery
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Photo Gallery
44: Home
45: Community Forums
46: Your Account
47: Community Forums
48: Photo Gallery
49: Downloads
50: Photo Gallery
51: Community Forums
52: Photo Gallery
53: Home
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Downloads
57: Your Account
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Statistics
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Your Account
71: Photo Gallery
72: Home
73: Photo Gallery
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Home
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Your Account
90: Community Forums
91: Home
92: Community Forums
93: CPGlang
94: News
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Community Forums
98: Home
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Photo Gallery
107: Community Forums
108: Photo Gallery
109: Home
110: Home
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Home
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Photo Gallery
125: Photo Gallery
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Home
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Downloads
134: Home
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Photo Gallery
144: Community Forums
145: Photo Gallery
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Member Screenshots
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Home
156: Photo Gallery
157: Downloads
158: Home
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Downloads
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Your Account
169: Community Forums
170: Home
171: Community Forums
172: Photo Gallery
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Photo Gallery
181: Community Forums
182: Photo Gallery
183: Community Forums
184: Photo Gallery
185: Community Forums
186: Home
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Downloads
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Your Account
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Home
211: Your Account
212: Photo Gallery
213: Photo Gallery
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Home
217: Community Forums
218: Statistics
219: Statistics
220: Home
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: CPGlang
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: CPGlang
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Your Account
232: Photo Gallery
233: Community Forums
234: Your Account
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Photo Gallery
238: Statistics
239: Community Forums
240: Photo Gallery
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: CPGlang
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Photo Gallery
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Member Screenshots
258: Photo Gallery
259: Photo Gallery
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Photo Gallery
263: Community Forums
264: Downloads
265: Photo Gallery
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Photo Gallery
269: Community Forums
270: Photo Gallery
271: Community Forums
272: Member Screenshots
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Downloads
282: Community Forums
283: Photo Gallery
284: Home
285: Downloads
286: Community Forums
287: Photo Gallery
288: Community Forums
289: Home
290: Home
291: Community Forums
292: Your Account
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Home
301: Community Forums
302: Home
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: CPGlang
308: Community Forums
309: Photo Gallery
310: Community Forums
311: Photo Gallery
312: Home
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Photo Gallery
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Photo Gallery
320: Community Forums
321: Home
322: Community Forums
323: Photo Gallery
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Downloads
330: Home
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Home
334: Home
335: Downloads
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Home
345: Photo Gallery
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Photo Gallery
349: Photo Gallery
350: Photo Gallery
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Photo Gallery
356: Photo Gallery
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Photo Gallery
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Your Account
363: Photo Gallery
364: Your Account
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Member Screenshots
369: Community Forums
370: Photo Gallery
371: Member Screenshots
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Home
375: Community Forums
376: Photo Gallery
377: Photo Gallery
378: Community Forums
379: Photo Gallery
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Downloads
386: Community Forums
387: Photo Gallery
388: Community Forums
389: CPGlang
390: Community Forums
391: Home
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Downloads
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Home
401: Home
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Photo Gallery
408: Community Forums
409: News Archive
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Photo Gallery
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Downloads
417: Community Forums
418: Home
419: Community Forums
420: Photo Gallery
421: Home
422: CPGlang
423: Community Forums
424: Downloads
425: Statistics
426: Community Forums
427: Downloads
428: Photo Gallery
429: Community Forums
430: Downloads
431: Community Forums
432: Photo Gallery
433: Photo Gallery
434: Community Forums
435: Downloads
436: Photo Gallery
437: Photo Gallery
438: Photo Gallery
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Home
443: Community Forums
444: Photo Gallery
445: Community Forums
446: Photo Gallery
447: Photo Gallery
448: Member Screenshots
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Home
453: Home
454: Community Forums
455: Home
456: Downloads
457: Community Forums
458: Member Screenshots
459: Downloads
460: Photo Gallery
461: Home
462: Photo Gallery
463: Community Forums
464: Home
465: Downloads
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Photo Gallery
471: Community Forums
472: Photo Gallery
473: Community Forums
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Statistics
479: Photo Gallery
480: Statistics
481: Community Forums
482: Home
483: Home
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Photo Gallery
488: Home
489: Community Forums
490: Your Account
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Downloads
494: Member Screenshots
495: Downloads
496: Photo Gallery
497: Tell a Friend
498: Photo Gallery
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Photo Gallery
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Home
506: Community Forums
507: Your Account
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: CPGlang
511: Member Screenshots
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Home
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Home
519: Home
520: Community Forums
521: Your Account
522: Home
523: Photo Gallery
524: Your Account
525: Your Account
526: Community Forums
527: Home
528: Community Forums
529: Home
530: Photo Gallery
531: Member Screenshots
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Home
539: Community Forums
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Photo Gallery
543: Home
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Photo Gallery
548: Community Forums
549: Home
550: CPGlang
551: Community Forums
552: Home
553: Home
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Home
559: Photo Gallery
560: Community Forums
561: Home
562: Community Forums
563: Photo Gallery
564: Statistics
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Home
569: Home
570: Photo Gallery
571: Home
572: Home
573: Statistics
574: Home
575: Community Forums
576: Downloads
577: Community Forums
578: Your Account
579: Photo Gallery
580: Downloads
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Downloads
584: Community Forums
585: Home
586: Photo Gallery
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Photo Gallery
591: Photo Gallery
592: Photo Gallery
593: Community Forums
594: Community Forums
595: Photo Gallery
596: Home
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Home
603: Community Forums
604: Home
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Downloads
608: Downloads
609: Community Forums
610: Home
611: Community Forums
612: Photo Gallery
613: Your Account
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: LinkToUs
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Statistics
622: Community Forums
623: News
624: Community Forums
625: Photo Gallery
626: Community Forums
627: Photo Gallery
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Photo Gallery
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Home
636: Photo Gallery
637: Community Forums
638: Downloads
639: Community Forums
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Home
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Photo Gallery
649: Community Forums
650: Home
651: Community Forums
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: CPGlang
656: Community Forums
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Downloads
661: Downloads
662: Member Screenshots
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Home
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: Photo Gallery
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Home
673: Community Forums
674: CPGlang
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Photo Gallery
678: Community Forums
679: Photo Gallery
680: Community Forums
681: Community Forums
682: Photo Gallery
683: Community Forums
684: Home
685: Community Forums
686: Home
687: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:22 am
Post subject: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

Hi Folks!

What to read something outlandish? Check out this DOD PDF report with about 245 pages at:

"Iraqi Perspectives Project, A View of Operation Iraqi Freedom from Saddam's Senior Leadership".

www.jfcom.mil/newslink...06/ipp.pdf

If you think US intell on Iraq was out in left field, you need to read that report. Some how the SF teams working in the western desert of Iraq cause (my guess based on reading of the report) intell reports that reached Saddam Hussein reporting sightings of US Armor attacking out of Jordan. A few days later, Mr. H. got the idea that three IDF armored divisions with an airborne division plus the US 4th Division was about to attack through Jordan into western Iraq.

You will also learn that the US has a super secret. It must be a super secret because we all here at AFV News didn't know about it until today. CH-47s can AIRLIFT Abrams tanks! Don't believe me, read the report!

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:57 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

Thanks for the pointer. Right now I am reading 'Cobra II - The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq' It follows the process at the Pentagon/Centcom/ Third Army level. I'm about a third of the way through and it is getting to Colin Powell addressing the U.N. about WMD.

It looks like the two may compliment each other

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:49 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

When the Iraqi Minister of Outrageous Remarks was promanent on TV light-hearted souls saved his best quotes. I have one document that is 8 pages of silliness.

I also saved this assessment from stratfor.com and bears repeating of how the West was looking at Saddam looking at the West.

"If Hussein was certain that (1) the United States will launch a war and (2) that he will be defeated, that would be the circumstance under which he would consider exile. He still is not completely certain that the United States will attack -- or at least, that it will attack before the summer. He also is not certain that the United States would defeat him in a war. From where Hussein sits, the United States is afraid to take casualties. His view of history is that ever since Vietnam, the United States has waged its wars in such a way as to prevent or minimize casualties. When U.S. forces started taking casualties, as in Beirut or Somalia, they withdrew. In Afghanistan, the United States avoids casualties by staying close to its strongholds. Regardless of whether this perception is true, this is what Hussein -- and others -- believe about the United States.

Hussein believes he can inflict heavy casualties on the United States. He apparently thinks that using chemical weapons against U.S. forces during an advance on Baghdad, and forcing U.S. troops into house-to-house fighting in the city, will raise the number and fear of more casualties sufficiently that the United States will accept a U.N.-sponsored cease-fire. In his view, Iraqi forces are capable of achieving this. He may not be certain of it, but recall that Hussein is a risk-taker. The probability is high enough that he can inflict casualties and that the United States will retreat in the face of those casualties that he is willing to risk the war rather than accept exile."
Back to top
View user's profile
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:43 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

thanks roy, i am going to check out that report.
never would have thought of the ch-47 airlifiting the abrams, an older skycrane maybe...

saddam--must be nice to live in his world. um, he has some valid thoughts but i dont think they are really relevent to his own situation. he seems to suffer from real memory loss. he took a blood bath fighting iran, he has gotten stomped by the coalition in 1991, bombed often in the interum to the second gulf war. and then he thought that the IDF was going to get involved, a joint u.s./israeli invasion! and who would be taking casaulities in this one??? plus, for israel to cross her borders, the situation is no longer about iraq/wmd's, it would be the apocalypse in the mid east..
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:58 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

- SHAWN
thanks roy, i am going to check out that report.
never would have thought of the ch-47 airlifiting the abrams, an older skycrane maybe...



Don't waste your time, Shawn...A CH-54 Tarhe (or any subsequent variant now that Erickson has the airframe) couldn't lift even half the weight of an Abrams. A CH-47 (in the Vietnam era) could only lift an M113 if it was offloaded of all stowage, ammo and gunsheld armor (this has been improved upon considerably these days). I watched this process at FSB Fiddler's Green once and the Chinook struggled...and puckered up those blades like a badminton birdie (and rotor wash threw rocks nearly the size of your fist). There are pics of a CH-54 lifting a Sheridan around, and that would have been pretty much the max.
Nothing the wings turn around on will pick up an Abrams...
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:31 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

- SHAWN

saddam--must be nice to live in his world.


Trying to live in a world of his own making is how he ended up in jail cell.
When you surround yourself with YES people and you are known for having people killed who do not support your view of things, well.....

- SHAWN

he seems to suffer from real memory loss. he took a blood bath fighting iran, he has gotten stomped by the coalition in 1991, bombed often in the interum to the second gulf war.


Shawn, it's NOT a case of MEMORY LOSS. It's a point of view problem. From your point, yes. But that report explains his point of view and sence he was still in charge, HE DIDN'T take a blood bath fighting Iran and HE DIDN'T get stomped on in 1991.

The US pulled out of Vietnam after lossing 58,000 troops.
Iraq losted 51,000 troops during one battle with Iran.

From his point of view, the US was weak because we gave up.
Iraq was strong because HE WAS STILL IN CHARGE.

One of the hardest things for one human to do is place themself inside the mine of another and under stand that person's point of view of something.

My 2 cents,
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:51 pm
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

that is so true roy. they always say to know your opponent, would i be wrong in saying that you may be able to know your opponent but you may not always be able to understand him? (sometimes that can be the most important-- understanding)
seems like it is like that is all wars.
shawn

roy, doug, et al.
what is that means of deploying vehicles by airdrop, using the skid out the back of the aircraft, cant remember the initials for it...? has anyone worked with that type of deployment? how is the vehicle secured, etc. how is the impact absorbed? your are dropping very low to the deck but still how does the vehicle take it? the sheridan/track-- how soon from hitting the ground are you up and running again?
shawn
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:50 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

- SHAWN

roy, doug, et al.
what is that means of deploying vehicles by airdrop, using the skid out the back of the aircraft, cant remember the initials for it...? has anyone worked with that type of deployment? how is the vehicle secured, etc. how is the impact absorbed? your are dropping very low to the deck but still how does the vehicle take it? the sheridan/track-- how soon from hitting the ground are you up and running again?
shawn


Shawn,
I believe you're referring to Low Altitude Parachute Extraction System (LAPES). The vehicle is palletized and prepped more-or-less as for parachute drop. I don't think it's ever been done in combat, and considerable time is required to get up and running again. Hour or two at least, I'd guess. It's a rough way to go, and it's dangerous...for anyone on the ground, and sometimes for the aircraft. (A demo of this procedure went horribly wrong 15 years or so ago, at Bragg, I think, when the C-130 touched down hard, broke it's back, and killed the aircrew in front of the reviewing stand).
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
RKlaus
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 28, 2006
Posts: 12

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:33 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

Hi,
Looks like I finaly made the jump from the old board. I had a lot of trouble getting this board to let me in.
It is indeed LAPES that you are talking about. Sporty procedure. I did one of the last Sheridan LAPES drops at Pope before the Sheridan went away. The drop is supposed to be made from 5 to 10 feet wheel height, with the deck 4 feet higher. We always tried for the lower end of this at 5 feet, or a bit lower. As the load slides back the tail drops, so the pallet actually doesn't fall too far. The big danger to the Sheridan was not the drop, but the danger that the leading edge of the pallet would dig in and the load tumble.
From the C-130 point of view the big problem was that 42,000 lbs (45,000 for the Sheridan on waivers) would shift the CG well aft as it slid back. The pilot would counter with nose down elevator to compensate. Then the tank would fall off the back of the ramp, and instantly your CG was back to normal. If the pilot didn't anticipate the shift perfectly and bring the elevator back up you'd bounce the nose wheeel Very embarrasing.
Good times!

"If it was easy they'd get civilians to do it."

Robert Klaus
Back to top
View user's profile
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:23 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

thanks guys,

doug-- did you ever take part in any LAPES exercises or would that be after your time?

robert-- you were aircrew on the C-130?
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
RKlaus
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 28, 2006
Posts: 12

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:30 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

Shawn,
Flight Engineer on C-130E with the 40th and 2nd Airlift Squadrons at Pope. It was a great experience, I'm just sorry I'm to old to still be at it.

Robert
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:44 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

- SHAWN
thanks guys,

doug-- did you ever take part in any LAPES exercises or would that be after your time?

robert-- you were aircrew on the C-130?


Shawn,
Nope, never was...and wouldn't have been. Crews would have been transported separately, of course...either already being on the ground or inserted or dropped in before/after the fact. LAPES'ing is an Air Force gig and we would have just been the addressees. It's an interesting capability to have, but as a practical matter, I can't envision armor being really delivered this way or by parachute in 99.9% of combat operations. Better to secure or create a landing field and drive off....(I'm thinking of calling this novel concept "Air-Mech Strike" Laughing )
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:43 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

- Doug_Kibbey
- SHAWN
thanks guys,

doug-- did you ever take part in any LAPES exercises or would that be after your time?

robert-- you were aircrew on the C-130?


Shawn,
Nope, never was...and wouldn't have been. Crews would have been transported separately, of course...either already being on the ground or inserted or dropped in before/after the fact. LAPES'ing is an Air Force gig and we would have just been the addressees. It's an interesting capability to have, but as a practical matter, I can't envision armor being really delivered this way or by parachute in 99.9% of combat operations. Better to secure or create a landing field and drive off....(I'm thinking of calling this novel concept "Air-Mech Strike" lol )
And of course the primary vehicle used for this 'Air-Mech Strike' would be named after an airborne hero



I'm thinking of


General Matthew Ridgway

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:44 am
Post subject: Re: U.S. Armor was attacking into Iraq from Jordan?

- bsmart
- Doug_Kibbey
- SHAWN
thanks guys,

doug-- did you ever take part in any LAPES exercises or would that be after your time?

robert-- you were aircrew on the C-130?


Shawn,
Nope, never was...and wouldn't have been. Crews would have been transported separately, of course...either already being on the ground or inserted or dropped in before/after the fact. LAPES'ing is an Air Force gig and we would have just been the addressees. It's an interesting capability to have, but as a practical matter, I can't envision armor being really delivered this way or by parachute in 99.9% of combat operations. Better to secure or create a landing field and drive off....(I'm thinking of calling this novel concept "Air-Mech Strike" lol )
And of course the primary vehicle used for this 'Air-Mech Strike' would be named after an airborne hero



I'm thinking of


General Matthew Ridgway
What - Did you think I was going to say GAVIN

Smile

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum