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JG300-fr8ycat · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

- JG300-Stoopy

- RCAF_Wingnut

Have you guys thought about using Fr8dycats UH-1? I have It and can with his permission get it uploaded to a private ftp server and send you a link. I also have his original army OH-6 with the open doors and mini-gun. I slightly changed it on my sim, by putting the air file from the civie version in it making it a little more responsive, but I didn't change the ZIP file. I also received both PM's but am at work so I'll get the packages when I get home tonight.

Thanks wingnut. I can't speak for Fr8ycat's UH-1 vs. others, I don't do too much with Bell products.. Other thoughts? I'm sure Fr8ycat hisself can comment on the best UH-1 to use

As for your sugegstions on the OH-6A.....you describe perfectly what Sir Frady has accomplished. It's the original OH-6A Army Loach on the outside - replete with minigun on one livery - with all the new civvie stuff (air file, gauges, and other improved whatnots) under the hood....best of both worlds...GMTA! You'll see for yourself when you get the link for the BETA file ....which is slightly delayed due to some minor changes th'cat has identified and which should be in place when our consultant delivers his consultation on a consultory item and we get the guys in the paint booth to modify anything if needed.

Well if your talking about my UH1D I'd say Bauntons has mine beat. That was my first ever modeling effort and although not bad for what it is Bauntons is alot more detailed and nicer looking.

If your talking about the UH1C Gunship I'd say it would be a nice replacement for lack of a proper time period Cobra. After all it is what was used until the Cobra came along to replace it and in 67-69 from accounts I've read is what the 3/5th used on occassion as their CC chopper. A couple of probs is the VC is lacking visually/outdated. Was made from Mr. moores original huey OSD which in FS years is many moons ago and things have progressed a great deal since and although it does have rocket effects I dont think it's something youd want to use in MP.....it would probably bring everyones FPS to a screeching halt. Not to mention from what I understand this praticular mission doesn't have a need for a gunship.

But if this thing gets off the ground I'd say there could be a place for the Huey Gunship in future missions.

JG300-Ascout · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

- JG300-Stoopy

Dang, this budget gets harder to manage all the time....

It's being processed i accounting, yeah...plus we're waiting for the few burnt and shredded P-38 parts - what's left of Torquemada's ride after the last race - to get sold on eBay.....

Yeah, the value of the currency has never been what it was when we were still on the "strawberry standard"!

Bit' of a shunt in the race? Incidents like that are why I upgraded the chapel, ya' know....some of youse guys aren't expected to make it back. Wink

JG300-Stoopy · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

Dang, this budget gets harder to manage all the time....

It's being processed in accounting, yeah...plus we're waiting for the few burnt and shredded P-38 parts - what's left of Torquemada's ride after the last race - to get sold on eBay..... Crying or Very sad

JG300-Ascout · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

which is slightly delayed due to some minor changes th'cat has identified and which should be in place when our consultant delivers his consultation on a consultory item and we get the guys in the paint booth to modify anything if needed.

It's "2/17th" Cav....and I'm still waiting on my consultory FEE! Evil or Very Mad

JG300-Stoopy · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

- RCAF_Wingnut

Have you guys thought about using Fr8dycats UH-1? I have It and can with his permission get it uploaded to a private ftp server and send you a link. I also have his original army OH-6 with the open doors and mini-gun. I slightly changed it on my sim, by putting the air file from the civie version in it making it a little more responsive, but I didn't change the ZIP file. I also received both PM's but am at work so I'll get the packages when I get home tonight.

Thanks wingnut. I can't speak for Fr8ycat's UH-1 vs. others, I don't do too much with Bell products.. Smile

Other thoughts? I'm sure Fr8ycat hisself can comment on the best UH-1 to use Wink

As for your sugegstions on the OH-6A.....you describe perfectly what Sir Frady has accomplished. It's the original OH-6A Army Loach on the outside - replete with minigun on one livery - with all the new civvie stuff (air file, gauges, and other improved whatnots) under the hood....best of both worlds...GMTA! You'll see for yourself when you get the link for the BETA file ....which is slightly delayed due to some minor changes th'cat has identified and which should be in place when our consultant delivers his consultation on a consultory item and we get the guys in the paint booth to modify anything if needed.

JG300-Ascout · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

Richard,
Thanks....yes, that's weird about the hangar roof...it's the same dang hangar in both places, so why would one appear and the other not? Strange.

Yes, the freeware mesh is about 40' off from the stock terrain and I designed the runway/taxiway as the best compromise (you'll notice a slight hill surrounds it with mesh on...that's the flatten area effect for the difference in altitude). Since I wanted it to work for those without mesh, I accept the "fade" with some roads as the price of running the enhanced mesh, which is well worth it, as you note.

Don't crowd the revetments too much when "parking"...those are actually "buildings" and they have a crash bubble.

As for that roof texture, I think Al's macros may somehow interfere with stock FSSC buildings when in proximety...I may experiment with this at home and change location of some buildings if necessary.

Stoopy painted up the C-130 right nice, dontcha' think? Wink

JG300-fr8ycat · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

Shucks Ascout, you didn't have to reserve me a parking space up front.

Looks good, the newer building, church and static AC are nice touches over the original.

Only thing I noticed is what you already previously stated and that is with the SEA mesh enabled the taxiways (not a prob with runway) turn to grass as you fly over them with external view. Turning the mesh off solves the prob. I can personally deal with it because I feel the mesh adds so much more visually so in IMHO it's a small price to pay.

Otherwise didn't notice any probs with placement.

For textures: or textures. Think what Stoopy refered to previously is just the way the roofs on the barracks look from a distance (white or untextured). If you get close you can see the corrugated lines, although I didn't inspect every roof.

But he is correct about the Hangar roof across from the Control tower, it is white when the hangar roof on the other end is greyish.

Nice work.

RCAF_Wingnut · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

Have you guys thought about using Fr8dycats UH-1? I have It and can with his permission get it uploaded to a private ftp server and send you a link. I also have his original army OH-6 with the open doors and mini-gun. I slightly changed it on my sim, by putting the air file from the civie version in it making it a little more responsive, but I didn't change the ZIP file. I also received both PM's but am at work so I'll get the packages when I get home tonight.

JG300-fr8ycat · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

There's no drastic change in the updated Army OH6 from the original vers.

I used the civy model and just added the gunners and minigun from the original OH6. It was easier to do it this way to incorporate the little changes I made between the original Army Vers. and the Civy model an to also get the civy's flight characteristics which I like more and think are a little more responsive than Army vers.1.

So for anybody that tests it we're looking for things like does it install correctly, gauges all work, exterior model and VC have all the parts in the right places, animations & lights work and such.

JG300-Ascout · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

Stoopy, I 'll need to do a new readme file for Phu Bai to note Al Simm's credits for macros....

I've also sent him, and Wingnut, and Fr8ycat messages telling where to get the same version I uploaded last nite for evaluation.

JG300-Stoopy · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

Roger, will do as soon as I round 'em up.

Another suggestion would be once this is wrapped and ready, start a new thread, lol!

Otherwise participants will start on page one and their eyes will gloss over...when in fact it wil be simple as pie.

Shadow_Bshwackr · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

Stoopy, if you can, fire me all the 'readme' files or links from all the download files needed and let me get in touch with all the authors. A suggestion would be to make as minimal number of "EZ" installs to cut down on the bugs or compatability issues...:chug:

JG300-Stoopy · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

You know I think we're starting to look good here.....time to make a shopping list, let me know if there's anything missing:

1) Aircraft: GZR's A1D Skyraider - will provide a link and see if it can also be included in the download package for this exercise without modifications, depending on freeawer agreement it comes with.

2) Aircraft: Bell UH1D Army - also will provide a link and see if it can also be included in the download package for this exercise without modifications, depending on freeware agreement it comes with. Will also look into the add-on sound files Fr8ycat mentions above. SUggestions on offical versions welcome just to make sure I'm looking at the right one (Ascout!)

3) Aircraft: Last but not least, Fr8ycat's new OH-6a Army scout is ready for BETA! Definitely a great compliment to this project. Thanks for offering your test pilot skills for this, WIngnut!

4) Scenery: Ascout's new Phu Bai Redux in progress and looking promising!

5) Scenery: SEA Mesh terrain - will provide a link for downlaod, and will also see if it can be included in the download package for this exercise without modifications, depending on freeware agreement it comes with.

6) Scenery: New BGL scenery file to provide LZ's, waypoints and some effects, pretty much done and just needs a checkout by someone (info above, previous page). Would you be interested in looking at that too, Wingnut?

7) Flight plans: Done and wrapped up, with one cosmetic thing outstanding, just need to redefine the waypoints since some of them were adjusted after the flight plans were made - the GPS will show turns that don't exactly line up with the waypoints. No biggie to fix and they still work just fine right now. Maybe a flight test in MP with 2 or more folks would be a good idea prior to showtime.

8 ) Packaging: As much as possible of the above will be put in an "EZ" installer so as many people can install and participate with a minimum if fuss. How much of the above will depend on what each freeware EULA says about inclusion in other freeware packages.

Either way, the download list will be kept consolidated and as short as possible so any interested parties can easily participate. Then we can set a date and go fly this thing!!!!

And BTW I'm serious about some Transload and Hovercontrol folks being invited along also if no one here has any objections.....we fly 16 to 20 pilots together at one time in PROPS practice races and as long as everyone has their FPS limits set to something reasonable it's no problem...and the site of a sky filled with UH-1's, OH-g's and A1D's at dawn will be something to behold.....

Anyone have "Flight of the Valkyries" in MP3 format???

JG300-Ascout · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Military Flights

Yo, WINGNUT...

Check yer PM's, Dude....sent you a download site for something I'd like you to try....

Wink

JG300-Stoopy · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Military Flights

Will do, but it will be later tonight. Also, could be something on my system alone....I'm set up for minimum detail and (what I think are) stock textures, for the last PROPS racing which just ended last week. I can switch over to fancy Environment Pack textures and SEA mesh with a few clicks but hadn't done that in the flight above.

Could be my system tho, and for that reason it would be good to get another set of willing eyes on it.....check PM in a bit.

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