±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 567
Total: 567
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Home
05: Photo Gallery
06: Home
07: Community Forums
08: Photo Gallery
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Home
14: Home
15: Community Forums
16: Photo Gallery
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Photo Gallery
20: Community Forums
21: Home
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Home
25: Photo Gallery
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Search
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Photo Gallery
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Photo Gallery
40: Community Forums
41: Home
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Photo Gallery
48: Photo Gallery
49: Community Forums
50: Photo Gallery
51: Photo Gallery
52: Member Screenshots
53: Community Forums
54: Statistics
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Statistics
58: Home
59: Community Forums
60: Photo Gallery
61: Statistics
62: Community Forums
63: Photo Gallery
64: CPGlang
65: Photo Gallery
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Home
75: Downloads
76: Home
77: Member Screenshots
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Search
83: Community Forums
84: Home
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Photo Gallery
88: Photo Gallery
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Photo Gallery
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Photo Gallery
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Home
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Photo Gallery
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Photo Gallery
110: Your Account
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Downloads
114: Photo Gallery
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Photo Gallery
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Photo Gallery
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Your Account
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Member Screenshots
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Photo Gallery
145: Photo Gallery
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: Community Forums
149: Home
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Photo Gallery
155: Home
156: Photo Gallery
157: Photo Gallery
158: Home
159: Community Forums
160: Downloads
161: Community Forums
162: CPGlang
163: Home
164: Community Forums
165: Photo Gallery
166: Community Forums
167: Photo Gallery
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Downloads
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Photo Gallery
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: CPGlang
183: Community Forums
184: Downloads
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Home
192: Home
193: Home
194: Photo Gallery
195: Home
196: Photo Gallery
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Home
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Photo Gallery
204: Photo Gallery
205: Photo Gallery
206: Home
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Downloads
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Photo Gallery
215: Photo Gallery
216: Photo Gallery
217: Statistics
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Home
221: Home
222: Home
223: Community Forums
224: Photo Gallery
225: Home
226: Home
227: Statistics
228: Community Forums
229: Photo Gallery
230: Downloads
231: Community Forums
232: Photo Gallery
233: Photo Gallery
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Photo Gallery
243: Member Screenshots
244: Community Forums
245: Home
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Photo Gallery
249: Community Forums
250: Photo Gallery
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: News Archive
255: Home
256: Community Forums
257: Downloads
258: Photo Gallery
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Downloads
265: Community Forums
266: Home
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Statistics
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Photo Gallery
274: Photo Gallery
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Your Account
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Photo Gallery
284: Community Forums
285: Photo Gallery
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Statistics
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Community Forums
294: CPGlang
295: Community Forums
296: Photo Gallery
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Photo Gallery
303: Statistics
304: Downloads
305: Photo Gallery
306: Photo Gallery
307: Photo Gallery
308: Community Forums
309: Your Account
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Home
319: Home
320: Home
321: Photo Gallery
322: Home
323: Downloads
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Photo Gallery
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Photo Gallery
333: Community Forums
334: Downloads
335: Community Forums
336: CPGlang
337: Home
338: Home
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Home
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Home
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Photo Gallery
349: Home
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Home
353: Community Forums
354: Photo Gallery
355: Home
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Statistics
360: Community Forums
361: Your Account
362: Photo Gallery
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Photo Gallery
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Photo Gallery
374: Photo Gallery
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Home
378: Member Screenshots
379: Your Account
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Photo Gallery
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Home
390: Community Forums
391: Home
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Photo Gallery
396: Community Forums
397: Photo Gallery
398: Home
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Downloads
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Home
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: CPGlang
412: Home
413: Downloads
414: Home
415: Community Forums
416: Photo Gallery
417: Photo Gallery
418: Photo Gallery
419: Photo Gallery
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Downloads
423: Community Forums
424: Photo Gallery
425: Photo Gallery
426: CPGlang
427: Community Forums
428: Your Account
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Your Account
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Photo Gallery
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Your Account
442: News Archive
443: Member Screenshots
444: Community Forums
445: Home
446: Community Forums
447: Member Screenshots
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Photo Gallery
454: Community Forums
455: Photo Gallery
456: Photo Gallery
457: Photo Gallery
458: Home
459: Home
460: Community Forums
461: Home
462: Photo Gallery
463: Home
464: Community Forums
465: Home
466: Community Forums
467: Downloads
468: Member Screenshots
469: Downloads
470: Photo Gallery
471: Downloads
472: Community Forums
473: Home
474: Community Forums
475: Photo Gallery
476: Community Forums
477: Downloads
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Photo Gallery
481: Photo Gallery
482: Photo Gallery
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Photo Gallery
488: Photo Gallery
489: Home
490: Home
491: Community Forums
492: Home
493: Photo Gallery
494: Community Forums
495: Home
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Downloads
500: Community Forums
501: Statistics
502: Home
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Photo Gallery
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Photo Gallery
513: Downloads
514: Community Forums
515: CPGlang
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Photo Gallery
520: Home
521: Member Screenshots
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Downloads
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Home
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Downloads
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Photo Gallery
540: Photo Gallery
541: Home
542: Photo Gallery
543: Community Forums
544: Photo Gallery
545: Home
546: Home
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Photo Gallery
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Photo Gallery
554: Member Screenshots
555: Home
556: Community Forums
557: Photo Gallery
558: Home
559: Community Forums
560: Home
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Home
564: Photo Gallery
565: Community Forums
566: Home
567: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
4th ID museum M18, M24, M41
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:07 pm
Post subject: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41


These three vehicles are from the 4th ID museum. I love these particular and somewhat obscure tanks. The M24 had a strange little plate attached to the front hull. Almost unreadable till I rubbed my sweaty hand over it a few times. Who can decipher this? Then there is the M41 plate that was on the right rear hull. It read 2323 (space)2313, across the top of the plate, and 89, 91, 98, 115 in the blocks as the descended down in the left blocks. Are these top numbers serial numbers? I looked all over these vehicles and really couldn't find any numbers like I do on M60's and the such. The paint wasn't even on thick so I dont suspect they were covered, I could be wrong.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:31 pm
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

Jeff, thats a a French army rebuild plate - from E.R.G.M.E.B. Not sure what it stands for, but its like a state depot. They apparently have a museum there, but I've never seen any pics of it...

Anyway, you see those E.R.G.M.E.B. plates on a surprising number of tanks in the US. The Fort Snelling Military Museum's M26 Pershing has one for example...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:31 pm
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

A "subdued" star on an M24 just seems so wrong!
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:46 pm
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

- Neil_Baumgardner
Jeff, thats a a French army rebuild plate - from E.R.G.M.E.B. Not sure what it stands for, but its like a state depot. They apparently have a museum there, but I've never seen any pics of it...

Anyway, you see those E.R.G.M.E.B. plates on a surprising number of tanks in the US. The Fort Snelling Military Museum's M26 Pershing has one for example...

Neil


Jacques Littlefield's Chaffee has the same plate too.

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:16 pm
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

That "subdued" star is actually where a sticker, star has peeled off and left the less faded image. I noticed that they use alot of the stickers at both museums. Not a bad idea if they stay on, creates less layers which eventually hide stampings and such.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
jcneel
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 101
Location: Victoria, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:23 pm
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

- Doug_Kibbey
A "subdued" star on an M24 just seems so wrong!


From what I remember from when I was there a couple of years ago, a lot of the stars and registration numbers were actually sticker type decals (or whatever) rather than painted on. Where the stars would peel off would show paint that hasn't been exposed to the sun as long and therefore not faded.

Check out the stars on this photo of the M10 from back then...




cn
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:24 pm
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

Thanks, Guys....my faith was shaken there for a moment... Rolling Eyes
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:43 am
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

I will eventually get to all the vehicles on post. I figure any Sherman varient desrves its own thread, and It will take a while to compile those here. They are all over the post!

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:36 am
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

- Neil_Baumgardner
Jeff, thats a a French army rebuild plate - from E.R.G.M.E.B. Not sure what it stands for, but its like a state depot. They apparently have a museum there, but I've never seen any pics of it...

Anyway, you see those E.R.G.M.E.B. plates on a surprising number of tanks in the US. The Fort Snelling Military Museum's M26 Pershing has one for example...

Neil


ERGMEB = Etablissement de Réserve Générale de Matériel d'Engins Blindés
It would be translated like this : Armored Vehicles Material General Reserve Warehouse or Barracks (is it understandable?)
There was an ERGMEB at Gien in France but it was renamed recently.

On the plate you can read :
ERGMEB GIEN
Reconstruit (Rebuilt) 18.10.61 (October 18, 1961)
N° de Cde (Order Number) : PV 1/7 66

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:11 am
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

Thanks for the information, I will pass it along to the museum. Am I to understand that this tank was re-built on 18 Oct 1961, and possibly returned stateside 1/7/66?

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
palic
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 03, 2006
Posts: 172

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:31 am
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

This M-24 attracts my interest.
I would say this Chaffee seems to be one of war production vehicles – there are no dozer blade fittings on frontal armour and no swiming apparatus fittings on front and rear armour plates. Tracks installed are postwar ones, right?
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:48 am
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

- SFC_Jeff_Button
Thanks for the information, I will pass it along to the museum. Am I to understand that this tank was re-built on 18 Oct 1961, and possibly returned stateside 1/7/66?


No, it was rebuilt in France in 18 Oct 1961, and I think that this plate was applied this precise day. But until you find a transfer/transportation paper there is no possibility to know when it was returned back to the USA. I think that these tanks were borrowed to France, I don't know if it is thanks to the lend-lease program or the Marschall plan, but it seems that a lot of these were returned back (as Neil said, a great number of tanks in the US carry these French plates..).

An M-24 Chaffee which is located at Oberhoffen, Bas-Rhin, France, carries the plate with the following :

ERGMEB GIEN
Reconstruit le 13.9.61
N° de Cde PV 1/6 54

and the Chaffee was never returned to the States. So the "N° de Commande" is definitely not the date when it was returned to the States. It's a contract number or something like that.

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:35 pm
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

Hi Folks!

- the_shadock

I think that these tanks were borrowed to France, I don't know if it is thanks to the lend-lease program or the Marschall plan, but it seems that a lot of these were returned back (as Neil said, a great number of tanks in the US carry these French plates..).
Pierre-Olivier


I wonder if rather that vehicles ONLY used by the Frence forces, some of those vehicles where used by the 7th US Army and that Frence depot also rebuild them for the US and other NATO forces.

Everyone of the M42 Dusters on display here at Ft. Bliss has that type of plate on their rear lower hull plates.

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:51 pm
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

I've seen a couple Dusters in Delaware & maryland and they have similar plates. I always assumed it was a way of keeping track of modifications without having a forms binder around.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:28 pm
Post subject: Re: 4th ID museum M18, M24, M41

- bsmart
I've seen a couple Dusters in Delaware & maryland and they have similar plates. I always assumed it was a way of keeping track of modifications without having a forms binder around.



I posted this a couple of years ago, but this is from the M42 at Fort McCoy Wi.



Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum