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Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

Cambridge Carrier, Swords & Ploughshares Museum.
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the_shadock

SdKfz 8 and SdKfz 9 "Famo" PDF list now available at :

http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_SdKfz8_SdKfz9.pdf

P-O

- Walter

Here you can find the first part of the surviving German Halftracks
the.shadock.free.fr/Su...dKfz10.pdf
This one is about the Light version
The medium and Heavy is coming next
Walter

the_shadock

- Soldier_of_Industrial_War

I propose to change the file structure:

1) Contents of "Surviving German WW2 large demolition vehicles" to include in the file "Surviving German WW2 Sonderfahrzeuge".

2) Section "WW2 tracked / unarmored vehicles" to remove. Her files to place in sections of the countries; "armoured vehicles" to change on "combat vehicles" or "fighting vehicles" or "military vehicles" or... (Variants are possible). Otherwise armoured and unarmored versions of one vehicle will appear in different files (for example, German halftracks). And it is incorrect.

3) T-27 and T-50 to change in places, that not to mix infantry and scout tanks.

4) Presence at one file T-28, T-35 and T-44 is absolutely not logical. T-44 it is necessary to include in a separate file.

5) For "the French files" to create separate section.

Your opinions?

- Pzkpfw-e

I'd argue against change #1
The Borgward types are very different from the Sturer Emil etc.
Change #2 has merit, perhaps putting the Sdkfz 4 with the Sdkfz250 etc (same running gear)
Change #4 also has merit, the T44 being a very different vehicle from the essentially 1930s tanks.
Change #5 I'd agree with, going as far as to suggest seperate French, Italian & Japanese sections.

#1 : I will keep the Sonderfahrzeuge and the German demolition vehicles seperated. The reason is that the purpose and the manner to use them are different.

#2 : I've already done some changes, removed the unarmored section and added a French WW2 section with 5 files. The German PDFs are now gathered. For the Japanese or Italian vehicles, there are not enough files to do a seperated section, I think.

#3 : why not.. I've not decided yet.

#4 : T-28 + T-35 and T-44 already seperated

# 5 : Already done.

# 6 : "Otherwise armoured and unarmored versions of one vehicle will appear in different files (for example, German halftracks). And it is incorrect." : well, that's a point of view. I would like to keep seperated the armoured half-tracks and unarmoured ones for now, we'll see what could be done in the future.

Pierre-Olivier

the_shadock

- Soldier_of_Industrial_War

4) Presence at one file T-28, T-35 and T-44 is absolutely not logical. T-44 it is necessary to include in a separate file

well, when the PDF list was created, there was no real logic. Indeed, I wanted to create a list big enough, and I know only few examples for each type. That means, I would have had a list of 4 or 5 vehicles for the T-44 tank, and I wanted to do a bigger list, gathering vehicles without any other logic, technically speaking. Now that we know more vehicles, it is easier to split the file into 2 seperated ones.

Pierre-Olivier

Soldier_of_Industrial_War

- Pzkpfw-e

I'd argue against change #1
The Borgward types are very different from the Sturer Emil etc.
Change #2 has merit, perhaps putting the Sdkfz 4 with the Sdkfz250 etc (same running gear)
Change #4 also has merit, the T44 being a very different vehicle from the essentially 1930s tanks.
Change #5 I'd agree with, going as far as to suggest seperate French, Italian & Japanese sections.

1) Change #1 it is offered just because in a Sonderfahrzeuge-file should be collected ALL vehicles which differ from the standard. It is not a lot of them, and it is enough one file.

2) Sd. Kfz.10 and Sd. Kfz.250 - vehicles of different function, and they should be in different files (the same as both Sd. Kfz.11 and Sd. Kfz.251). But, for example, Sd. Kfz.7/1 (7/2) unarmored and Sd. Kfz.7/1 (7/2) armored should be in one file. Whether not so?

If it is accepted, "French" files already 5 pieces at present are, and they can be isolated in separate section.

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

I'd argue against change #1
The Borgward types are very different from the Sturer Emil etc.
Change #2 has merit, perhaps putting the Sdkfz 4 with the Sdkfz250 etc (same running gear)
Change #4 also has merit, the T44 being a very different vehicle from the essentially 1930s tanks.
Change #5 I'd agree with, going as far as to suggest seperate French, Italian & Japanese sections.

Soldier_of_Industrial_War

I propose to change the file structure:

1) Contents of "Surviving German WW2 large demolition vehicles" to include in the file "Surviving German WW2 Sonderfahrzeuge".

2) Section "WW2 tracked / unarmored vehicles" to remove. Her files to place in sections of the countries; "armoured vehicles" to change on "combat vehicles" or "fighting vehicles" or "military vehicles" or... (Variants are possible). Otherwise armoured and unarmored versions of one vehicle will appear in different files (for example, German halftracks). And it is incorrect.

3) T-27 and T-50 to change in places, that not to mix infantry and scout tanks.

4) Presence at one file T-28, T-35 and T-44 is absolutely not logical. T-44 it is necessary to include in a separate file.

5) For "the French files" to create separate section.

Your opinions?

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

The latest edition of Military Machines International has a number of pictures of IS2 in the external storage areas at Kubinka. I think some of them may not be on the .pdf.
The magazine doesn't have a website, so no online photos are available.

Michel_Krauss

If I remember correct, the rear of a Pz 3 should have a sort overhang where the 2 exhaust where mounted

This one is completely flat

The complete vehicle looks fake, because there are no hinges, welds ... nothing

C_Sherman · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 590

- the_shadock

- Pzkpfw-e

Another PzIII? (Or replica?)
ondryushka.livejournal...28505.html
Russian language.

that looks like a replica to me..
the driving train looks fake at least.

Pierre-Olivier

Agreed. The arrangement of the rear looks faked, and the way the idler and drive sprocket droop gives the impression of nothing holding them up. The hull sides look too clean, too.

Chuck

the_shadock

- Pzkpfw-e

Another PzIII? (Or replica?)
ondryushka.livejournal...28505.html
Russian language.

that looks like a replica to me..
the driving train looks fake at least.

Pierre-Olivier

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

Another PzIII? (Or replica?)
ondryushka.livejournal...28505.html
Russian language.

the_shadock

- Soldier_of_Industrial_War

Lorraine 37L tractor (shortened) and Renault UE Chenillette (sn 2524) from the Lehn-collection now in State Military Technical Museum ("Museum of brotherhood in arms") - Ivanovskoje, Moscow oblast' (opened in October 2010).

There are some autos from the Lehn-collection.

There are also ISU-152, BTR-40 and BTR-152K (not Lehn).

Photo here: yazaika.livejournal.co...tml#cutid1
and here: rcforum.su/showthread.php?p=797995

Museum-site: gvtm.ru/

thanks for the links. The guy on the rcforum did post great pictures of the ISU-152 and Lorraine 37L shortened. A shame that he didn't publish pics of the Renault UE and OT-810 half-track..

Pierre-Olivier

Soldier_of_Industrial_War

Lorraine 37L tractor (shortened) and Renault UE Chenillette (sn 2524) from the Lehn-collection now in State Military Technical Museum ("Museum of brotherhood in arms") - Ivanovskoje, Moscow oblast' (opened in October 2010).

There are some autos from the Lehn-collection.

There are also ISU-152, BTR-40 and BTR-152K (not Lehn).

Photo here: yazaika.livejournal.co...tml#cutid1
and here: rcforum.su/showthread.php?p=797995

Museum-site: gvtm.ru/

the_shadock

- Soldier_of_Industrial_War

Surviving Russian light Tanks/Tankettes (part 1):

"Second MS-1 (T-18) m1930 – Khabarovsk, Khabarovsk Krai (Russia) – running condition" and "Third MS-1 (T-18) m1930 – Khabarovsk, Khabarovsk Krai (Russia)" - same tank.

hello,

thanks for the information, I will correct the PDF list this evening.
The information about Marder I in Russia is already corrected.

Pierre-Olivier

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