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- Pzkpfw-e

Ah, right, I thought Massimo was saying that the one I'd found photos of, was the one moved to Forte Bramafan.

Yes, exactly - that's what I meant by referring to the text:

"It was originally emplaced beside a road outside the ammunition store at Alice Castello and is believed to have been removed in the 1990s. It consisted of just the upper hull and turret fixed in concrete, with the entire lower hull, including engine compartment and running gear, removed. When seen there it retained its side door, and the mounting and inner mantlet for its machine-guns, but these are no longer fitted."

- Massimo_Foti

I really don't know. Those photos are old (there are videos on Youtube too).:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTV1NGXhu50

It's hard to tell which of the hulls was moved to Forte Bramafan. Most likely it's this one:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yaOTXZlOXc

Massimo

No, it's the other way around, which is why I put the YouTube links with the tanks they relate to, and why I highlighted the differences in 'Other Identification'. The one with the large mantlet opening went to Bramafam, the one with the small mantlet opening is still at Alice Castello.

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

I agree with that whole-heartedly, like the L3s in Iraq!

the_shadock

- Massimo_Foti

To me this demonstrated that the web is a great communication medium, but you can't rely just on it.

Massimo

yes, that's 100% right. I spend a lot of time in comparing photos to try to know if two vehicles are not indeed the same one at different dates. Sometimes it works, when the vehicle is just simply repainted. But when the vehicle was restored and externally visually modified (addition or removal of items), it's impossible to tell if it is the same one.

P-O

Massimo_Foti

For me the hardest part in tracking italian WW II light tanks has been to figure out how many L 3s are still in Brasil, and where they are located. Unfortunately I failed to get help from local people (tried contacting IPMS, without luck).

So I prefer to be very conservative, unless a picture is clearly labeled with date and location, I don't add the tank to the PDF. Pure speculation out of pictures available online can be quite misleading. One example I like to use. Check these two pages:

www.ferreamole.it/cont...l6_leg.htm
www.flickr.com/photos/...809164927/

Would you ever realize it's the same tank? I guess you would not. But yes, it's the same vehicle, at different times, in different locations. To me this demonstrated that the web is a great communication medium, but you can't rely just on it.

Massimo

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

A couple of post WW2 Brazilians
www.forte.jor.br/2009/...-linhares/

X1A1

XLF 40 prototype (& only one made)
Stuart running gear

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

Unless there's a "paper trail", we won't know.
Here's an interesting little run-about from the Escola de Material Bélico in Rio.

obaraodatipity.blogspo...ria-2.html

Nice family photo from Brazil

www.soparamilitares.hp...casos5.htm
The Belico L33?
www.soparamilitares.hp...casos5.htm

Massimo_Foti

I really don't know. Those photos are old (there are videos on Youtube too).:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTV1NGXhu50

It's hard to tell which of the hulls was moved to Forte Bramafan. Most likely it's this one:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yaOTXZlOXc

Massimo

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

Ah, right, I thought Massimo was saying that the one I'd found photos of, was the one moved to Forte Bramafan.

TrevorLarkum

- Pzkpfw-e

Torretta di carro armato un tempo a difesa della polveriera di Alice Castello
www.flickr.com/photos/...442248645/

It seems like an amazing coincidence that you should post that - since I spent the weekend researching the tanks from Alice Castello and writing about them - including the entry that Massimo posted!

- Pzkpfw-e

Massimo, I believe that it's a different one, unless it's been moved between the photos on the flickr account and the one on preservedtanks.
The presrvedtanks' shots show no mantlet & guns, no concreted entry into the rear of the structure and the location in vastly different.

I'm not sure I understand your comments - did you read what was written on that page?

If you're interested in Alice Castello itself, there is a link on that page, or you can go directly here:

Location ID 5230: Alice Castello

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

Massimo, I believe that it's a different one, unless it's been moved between the photos on the flickr account and the one on preservedtanks.
The presrvedtanks' shots show no mantlet & guns, no concreted entry into the rear of the structure and the location in vastly different.

Massimo_Foti

See it here:
preservedtanks.com/Pro...6&Select=4

I was there last summer, I still have to post-process all the pictures. There is an amazing artillery collection over there

Massimo

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

Torretta di carro armato un tempo a difesa della polveriera di Alice Castello
www.flickr.com/photos/...442248645/

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

More ? Kuril Island finds.
A couple of IS2
almanachtur.ru/forum/a...1222585845
almanachtur.ru/forum/a...1222585845
From almanachtur.ru/forum/s....php?t=510

IS3
reibert.info/forum/att...1261744517
reibert.info/forum/sho...243&page=2
Not sure if any of these figure already.

Pzkpfw-e · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jul 21, 2010 Posts: 1202

Yep, does look like that one, another 20 years of exposure haven't been kind to it!

the_shadock

- Pzkpfw-e

Ha-Go on Guam

picasaweb.google.com/l..._a0XHvx9Ow

I have the same one listed at Banadero area, Saipan Island (Northern Mariana Islands)

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