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Any of you T34 experts out there identify which production model this is?

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More photos?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:53 pm
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Only dogs are visible by the first link :-))).

It seems to me, this is a war-time 34-85. Turret made by 183th plant (UVZ).
Was modernized by "1960" program.

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- Koluchiy
Only dogs are visible by the first link :-))).

It seems to me, this is a war-time 34-85. Turret made by 183th plant (UVZ).
Was modernized by "1960" program.


Woof!
It's the "Tank Gates Aexandriya park" link.

Big photo, the plaque says something about Czechoslovakian Brigade, 4th September (?) 1944 and German-Fascists.
(I took Russian at school, but that was over 30 years ago!)

"VOINAM RADYASKOI ARMII TA CHEKOSLOVASKOI BRIGADI YAKI 4 SICHIYA 1944 ROKOO ZVILNILI MISTO VILOO TSERKVOO VID NIMNYESTKOO FASHISTSKIX ZAGARBNIKIV"
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:44 pm
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Note

In 2010 the Ukrainian government issued an official conversion table between the Ukrainian cyrillic and English alphabet - see www.glebov.com.ua/en/a...ation.html


According to this table, I would like to submit a transfer of the original text:
Voyinam Radyans'koyi Armiyi ta Czekhoslovats'koyi bryhady. Yaki 4 sicznya 1944 roku zvil'nyly misto Bilu Tserkvu vid nimets'ko-fashysts'kykh zaharbnykiv.

9 travnya 1970 roku



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For soldier of the Soviet Army and the Czechoslovak Brigade. Who 4 January 1944 was liberated city Bila Tserkva (the city's name probably originated by the white-painted church, or an entire village) from German fascist usurpers.

9 May 1970 (date of establishment of the monument)
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Big photo, the plaque says something about Czechoslovakian Brigade, 4th September (?) 1944 and German-Fascists.
(I took Russian at school, but that was over 30 years ago!)

"VOINAM RADYASKOI ARMII TA CHEKOSLOVASKOI BRIGADI YAKI 4 SICHIYA 1944 ROKOO ZVILNILI MISTO VILOO TSERKVOO VID NIMNYESTKOO FASHISTSKIX ZAGARBNIKIV"


It seems to me the hull is also made by 183th plant...
This is Ukranian language, not Russian...

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ooops.
Silly me assumed it was Russian, must be like assuming Welsh is English, just because we use the same alphabet!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:24 am
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Dear Sirs,
I asked for help a colleague who specializes in Soviet tanks T-34 (on the subject published a book).

His present to answer:
"This is a T-34/85 production fall 1944 to spring 1945. She still has a distinct contact of frontal plates. In the spring started to boil boards together.

The tower was built in Plant No. 183 Nizhny Tagil.

The tank was not renovated in the 60th years! This means that it has no wheels like T-54/55, a metal rectangular box and lid with embossed "X". Tank is on the right side non-standard fixing two shovels. On the right is a console lamp. T-34 tanks have these things on the left side.

The hull is Ural production. Interesting hinges are at the rear armor plate, these are not produced in a factory in Nizhny Tagil. The fuselage reminds products of the Plant No. 174 Omsk."

A colleague has a suspicion that the tank was assembled from several parts of different vehicles. Therefore not able to determine whether the tank from Omsk, or Nizhny Tagil.

Note:
Wings and things like that can be easily manufactured and mobile services' workshop.

Link to photos:
piccy.info/view3/14742...3bd5/1200/
piccy.info/view3/14742...ac30/1200/
piccy.info/view3/14742...6e43/1200/
piccy.info/view3/14742...c26e/1200/


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:55 am
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That is some very good information you have there.

Great source.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:49 pm
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The tank was not renovated in the 60th years! This means that it has no wheels like T-54/55, a metal rectangular box and lid with embossed "X".


8-0

If we looking at the photo:
www.flickr.com/photos/...168939236/
we can see 1 "like T-54 wheel" and a "metal rectangular box".

???

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:02 pm
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Dear Colleague,
thanks for the link on the photo left side of the tank T-34-85, which was unknown to us.

Sorry,
that we have provided incorrect information to who covered the modernization in the 60th years.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:57 am
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Ok, but the link to this photo was in the first posts of the topic...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:39 am
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Dear Sirs,
present to supplement the previous information.

My colleague who specializes in T-34 wrote:

"Travelling wheel
Wheel type T-54/55 is the only one on the left rear side. On the right side of the rear wheel is cast steel. Other bikes look like the original.

Holders
On the left side of the box with the X embossed on the lid are placed in unexpected places holders for small tanks or smoke MDSh.

On the right side of the front armor of the console is likely to mount an IR headlight."

Summary
It's certainly not the modernization of the sixties, it is rather confused idea Soviet politruk (Political commissar) of the tank as it appeared in 1944.

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it is rather confused idea Soviet politruk (Political commissar) of the tank as it appeared in 1944

I do not understand the phrase about Soviet politruk...
Can anybody explain, what does it means?

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