±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: HighestAce
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6648

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 326
Total: 326
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: CPGlang
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: CPGlang
10: Community Forums
11: Downloads
12: Photo Gallery
13: Community Forums
14: Your Account
15: Community Forums
16: Home
17: Member Screenshots
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: CPGlang
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Home
25: CPGlang
26: CPGlang
27: Community Forums
28: Photo Gallery
29: Community Forums
30: Downloads
31: Home
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Home
35: Home
36: Downloads
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Home
40: Home
41: Community Forums
42: Home
43: Community Forums
44: Downloads
45: Community Forums
46: Home
47: Community Forums
48: Home
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Downloads
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Member Screenshots
57: Home
58: Photo Gallery
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Photo Gallery
68: Your Account
69: Home
70: Photo Gallery
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: CPGlang
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: CPGlang
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Photo Gallery
83: Home
84: Statistics
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: Home
89: Photo Gallery
90: Home
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Downloads
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Downloads
97: Photo Gallery
98: Member Screenshots
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Member Screenshots
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Home
109: Home
110: Photo Gallery
111: CPGlang
112: Photo Gallery
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Home
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Home
119: Home
120: Community Forums
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Home
124: Community Forums
125: Photo Gallery
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Home
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Home
132: Home
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Home
136: Statistics
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: CPGlang
142: Home
143: Community Forums
144: Home
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Photo Gallery
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Home
157: Home
158: Home
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Home
163: Home
164: Photo Gallery
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: CPGlang
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Home
183: Photo Gallery
184: Home
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Photo Gallery
188: Home
189: Home
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Home
193: CPGlang
194: Home
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Community Forums
198: Downloads
199: News
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Home
203: Photo Gallery
204: Home
205: Community Forums
206: Home
207: Photo Gallery
208: News
209: Home
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Home
214: Downloads
215: Home
216: Photo Gallery
217: CPGlang
218: Statistics
219: Home
220: Home
221: CPGlang
222: Home
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Downloads
226: Home
227: Community Forums
228: Photo Gallery
229: Community Forums
230: Member Screenshots
231: Community Forums
232: Home
233: Home
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: CPGlang
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: CPGlang
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: CPGlang
243: CPGlang
244: Photo Gallery
245: Community Forums
246: Photo Gallery
247: Home
248: Home
249: CPGlang
250: CPGlang
251: Community Forums
252: CPGlang
253: Home
254: CPGlang
255: Home
256: Home
257: Photo Gallery
258: Community Forums
259: Home
260: Downloads
261: Home
262: Community Forums
263: Home
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Home
268: Member Screenshots
269: Home
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Community Forums
273: Home
274: Member Screenshots
275: News
276: Community Forums
277: Member Screenshots
278: Statistics
279: CPGlang
280: Home
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Home
284: Downloads
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Home
288: Home
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Member Screenshots
293: Home
294: CPGlang
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Photo Gallery
301: Home
302: Community Forums
303: Home
304: CPGlang
305: Community Forums
306: Home
307: Home
308: Photo Gallery
309: Home
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: CPGlang
319: Community Forums
320: Photo Gallery
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Home
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
RichardIsner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 04, 2006
Posts: 13

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:00 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Hi, all,

It is great to see that the Elephant got some attention. Sadly, it will likkely end up on a concrete plinth to continue its rusting in the salt air of the Chesapeake. I can remember taking pictures of the beast in 1973! (Ok, I admit it...I am getting old!)

I can remember the Tiger I, the Panzer II and the Marder II, before they went to Germany. I realize many people will hate me for this, but I am glad they went! The Panzer II looks very nice...at least in the last photos I saw. I think the Marder is under cover as well. As for the Tiger I, I would love to see Kevin Wheatcroft restore it to running condition, fill in the side cut-outs with steel, and display it in England. If the Tiger does ever make it back here, I hope it goes into the musuem at Knox! I love APG, but putting any vehicle on concrete there is probably a death sentence. I mean no offense to the folks who work hard and volunteer at APG, or to its staff. They have precious little, and money is just not there. But I would rather see the vehicles restored and shown at selected times and special events, then put back in their stables out of the weather. I can drive to Aberdeen any day in 2 hours, but I would hate to see a wonderful and very significant relic go to what is its graveyard.

Now, if the Army would let some private collectors with deep pockets fix 'em up...that would be another story.

Anyway, hope they put some zimm on the Elephant.

Richard Isner
Back to top
View user's profile
Sundrtonge
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 17, 2006
Posts: 35

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:25 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

If anyone is interested I have recently gotten my hands on some slides of Aberdeen (23 slides) showing various items of interest to include the Elephant in the dark yellow color. The slides are from the seventies and I have taken them to a photo lab to get put on disk. I think there may be a picture of at least the King tiger there as well maybe the tiger I (cant remember). I will be pickeing them up on thursday so perhaps I can post em over the weekend if interested.

-Dave
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:37 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

- RichardIsner


Now, if the Army would let some private collectors with deep pockets fix 'em up...that would be another story.


Yeah Richard, but if they did that they'd only be open to the public one day a year - if we're so lucky Wink

To provide a more reasoned response, I'd rather focus on getting the Ordnance Museum the funds it needs to have a real museum - whether its at APG or at Fort Lee. I'd prefer a museum of well-preserved non-running vehicles (perhaps with a small number of runners) that can be seen by millions of people day in and day out instead of an entirely running collection that is seen by a few thousand people once a year... But to each his own I guess...

Furthermore, with all due respect to Don and the Patton Museum volunteers, there's no insurance that the "armor museum" that winds up at Fort Benning will be anything like the current museum at Fort Knox - at the very least it wont have the benefit of an in-place crew of dedicated volunteers that it currently does. For better or worse, there might be very little difference between the Ordnance and Armor museums in 5 or 10 years.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:27 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Well I've been holding some pictures from moving day on you Laughing

These were taken when we opened the hatch to drop some bug bombs in the fighting compartment. These are all taken sticking the camera down the hatch.

First one is pretty much straight down


This one is looking aft


This one is holding the camera down in and looking forward and up. The whitge area is the sliding arc hatch in the forward left corner of the compartment


Last interior shot is looking down and towards the right rear corner.


The recoil guard can be seen in most of the pictures to give you an idea of the relationship of the photos

One last photo. While we were waiting for the HETT to get there I was offered a chance togo for a ride in the M88 (They wouldn't let me drive Crying or Very sad ) We spent almost 10 minutes driving around he big field behind where the Elephant had been sitting. This one is from across the field as we were pointed back at the Elephant

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Sundrtonge
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 17, 2006
Posts: 35

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:03 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Well here goes. Its my first picture using photobucket, thought id try it over my own site this time. One of the other pics is of the King tiger (with a little of the tiger I (in grey in the background). I assume this is the King at Ft Knox.

Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:11 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

That picture is from a LOOONNNGGG time ago! It was taken prior to 1985. You can tell because there are no concrete pads. The pads were installed in 1985 (or so) making a good 'Epoch Boundry' for judging photos.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Sundrtonge
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 17, 2006
Posts: 35

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:14 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Its hard to tell on the slides, I think it says June 84 ( I originally thought they were from teh 70's).

If this works I will post the King picture (look in the background for the Tiger I as well).

-Dave
Back to top
View user's profile
Sundrtonge
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 17, 2006
Posts: 35

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:22 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Here is the other shot of the Elephant. Again I am sorry if the pics dont post to forum rules, still learning.

-Dave

Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:42 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Why was the Elefant moved to the railhead?

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:38 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

I'll let Bob address thst but here is a further trip down memory lane, I apologize in advance for the picture quality, but I just shot pictures of the slides since I haven't had a chance to get them transferred yet
August 1979


March 1980 during the boy scout repaint era


some other goodies, a really colorful 1978 scheme


This is behind the fence now but here's the inscription


These are just plain gone







drooling yet Bob Wink

Jeff Lewis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:31 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

- the_shadock
Why was the Elefant moved to the railhead?

P-O


Back at some time in the past the Elephant was sent to Anniston to be worked on. At Anniston the removed the casemate (at least partially with a cutting torch Evil or Very Mad ) It sat at Anniston uncompleted and eventually was sent back to Aberdeen. There it was unloaded from the railcar and sat for at least 7 years until last month

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:50 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Anniston at work!

Evil or Very Mad

Jeff Lewis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:30 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Hi Folks!

- piney
Anniston at work!

Evil or Very Mad

Jeff Lewis


My guess would be that the folks at Anniston couldn't get those plates to come off and planned to replace them with copies when they put the top back on. To bad they didn't get around to finishing what they started.

My SWAG on Anniston's work.
Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:15 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

- piney


These are just plain gone





Now at Saumur - given back to France in 1987.





Sigh... The thin-skins... I've simply been told they are all "gone" now...

The trucks in the background may be at the Transportation or Quartermaster Museums, but I havent been able to confirm that...







Sd.Kfz. 234/1 sPz Sp Wg 2cm Gun Armored Car I believe... You gotta think its somewhere... They scrapped stuff in the 50s... But I have a hard time believing they would have in the 80s... Possibly overseas...







Hmm... Whats this one???

As for the SdKfz 251 SPW next to it, its probably the one the March 1995 issue of the Journal of Military Ordnance reported as "shipped out."

Neil


Last edited by Neil_Baumgardner on Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:38 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:15 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

That is the Beobachtungspanzer RK 7 otherwise known as the SdKfz 254. It was an Austrian-made vehicle designed by Saurer that was used as an OP vehicle with armored artillery units.

_________________
armorfortheages.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum